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    Default Who needs petrol?

    Just picked this up off another forum.
    So it just needs one of you inteelectuals to make it happen.

    "It so happens I am a research chemist whose interest lie in creating
    hydrogen on demand.I used to have a Brown's Gas Generator sold by
    Denis Lee.It was a useless piece of crap that never worked.At the
    moment I have the begin of a design to separate the Hydrogen from the
    water through a steam process.

    Sucess full hydrogen generators have been built since the 1930'sThe
    patent office has all sorts of expired patents to search through of
    people long gone to their maker.

    Brown's Gas works but if you investigate this go to the
    George Wiseman' web site.He is a credible guy.Hydrogen is the future
    but to harness it cheaply is were the problem lies.

    I worked with a group who had a aluminum engine that ran on hydrogen
    but then blew the spark plug out.Duh Hydrogen and Aluminum don't mix.

    There is website by a French Inventor JL NAUDIN that gives evidence
    hydrogen from water is easily made.He has plans that some one smart
    in mechanical inventing could easily turn into a welding
    machine.Including drawings of a Brown's Generator that are free for
    anyone to download.So guys have some fun Bill Toebes"
    Regards, Bob Thomas

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    Getting hydrogen from water is an old idea...the problem is it requires more energy to split the water into oxygen and hydrogen than you gain from buring the resultant hydrogen.....you end up using more energy than you produce. Cheaper to use petrol.
    Whatever note you blow youre never more than a semitone away from the correct one....(Miles Davis)

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    Some interesting reading on Browns Gas.....

    http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm
    Whatever note you blow youre never more than a semitone away from the correct one....(Miles Davis)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwigeo
    Getting hydrogen from water is an old idea...the problem is it requires more energy to split the water into oxygen and hydrogen than you gain from buring the resultant hydrogen.....you end up using more energy than you produce. Cheaper to use petrol.

    Old fashion slavery might do the trick though
    woody U.K.

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    Ok JJ, send us some more slaves over, the old ones have all died.


    Al

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    You are still as sharp as ever Oz.

    Scrap the visas allocations and they will flood in :eek:
    woody U.K.

    "Common looking people are the best in the world: that is the reason the Lord makes so many of them." ~ Abraham Lincoln

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    Plenty of hydrogen atoms around, just need to squeeze them until they fuse, then they release abundant energy. I'm thinking of getting some pliers and giving it a go next week.
    Of course, if it were shown to be possible to extract energy in a way that could rival oil, the oil companies would have the discoverer shot.
    I once saw an Australian science show that reported on a bloke who had come up with a Radar that could detect America's new stealth planes. It was a revolutionary new radar and I never heard anything about it, or him again.
    Mick

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    biggest problem with alternate fuels is that Governments need to figure oiut how to tax them or the economies of the developed countries will go down the gurgler.
    Regards, Bob Thomas

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    As I said in another thread.
    Diesel engines can run quite happy on canola or any other veggi oil.

    It is now cheaper to fill the tractor inside woollies than at the woollies servo :eek:

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    Question

    Wasn't it the same with that bloke Sarrich, or something like that, he made a working proto-type of a new type of engine that ran on petrol or diesel but the consumption was a 1/3 of a traditional engine of the same displacment?...Anyway one of the big car manufacturers and a major oil company bought the patents with a promise to do further reseach into it and it was never heard of again?....I think thats what it was all about!...

    savage.
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    Cynical ba5tard! Who could believe that car manufacturers or petrol companies would resort to such underhand conspiracies.
    Cheers
    Graeme

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidG
    As I said in another thread.
    Diesel engines can run quite happy on canola or any other veggi oil.

    It is now cheaper to fill the tractor inside woollies than at the woollies servo :eek:
    How do you stop the wax in veggie oils gumming up the injector pump and injectors?
    Regards, Bob Thomas

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    Red face

    Yeah what was I thinking!...just cos' they and some servo's lace thier fuel with Toulene and really nacker your cars engine!.....so I'll just buy another car!....Nah! they wouldn't do anything like that!.....would they?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by graemet
    Cynical ba5tard! Who could believe that car manufacturers or petrol companies would resort to such underhand conspiracies.
    Cheers
    Graeme
    Yes they have executives who have families with mouths to feed. And the family tax benefit only covers the golf membership.
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    echnidna
    Really not quite as easy as just using straight vegi oil although you can mix some into the ordinary diesel to extend it.

    See BioDiesel

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