Thread: It"s on!!

"Gun Appreciation Day". Says it all.

Originally Posted by artme

Seen the rants by the Gun lobby in the US??

We here will never understand!!

Seconds out.....round two .

Actually, no I haven't seen them, but I can well imagine and I'll have a look tonight. I did hear that the NRA were a little unhappy with the otcome of their meeting with the Obama's representative. Came out saying it was more about restricting guns than making school children safe.

I think their idea of safety is upscaling rather than limiting. I get the impression that given a carte blanche they would have one of these at the front gate of every school for all the good it would do .

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Regards
Paul

I heard one shout something like " if you try an take way our guns, it will all start up again , just like 1776"

I guess he wasn't big on history...



No we will never understand it. it is just all too weird.

Originally Posted by Avery

I heard one shout something like " if you try an take way our guns, it will all start up again , just like 1776"

I guess he wasn't big on history...



No we will never understand it. it is just all too weird.

That was the looney that is trying to get piers morgan deported with 100,000 votes.
And he was on Piers morgan again.
Complete mental case the lot of them.

Got no objection to hunters having them, and farmers having for pests and needing to put an animal down.
People who like to go to a range and target shoot.

All fine, but why someone needs to keep 12 in the house or carry one on them has got problems.
And they usually seem to be southern rednecks as well.

All fine, but why someone needs to keep 12 in the house or carry one on them has got problems.
And they usually seem to be southern rednecks as well.[/QUOTE]



I am regularly in contact with a lady I know in Wisconsin. She is almost 70, her husband over 80. They both sleep with a loaded Smith&Wesson revolver in their bedside tables.

Why?

If anyone breaks in , I'll let them have it.

Do you get breakins very often where you live?

No, it is a very peaceful area.

Do you know any of your neighbours that has suffered a break in?

No. We have lived here for 30 years, i can't recall any problems.

Have you ever fired the weapons?

No,but the guy in the shop showed us how.


etc. etc. etc.

Otherwise she is a very smart and lovely lady. Oh, and all her neighbours are similarly equipped.



I know a farmer that lives near Hastings, Nebraska.He has a very large property, mostly corn and other vegetable crops but also some livestock. One would of course expect him to have a number of rifles, shotguns and perhaps handguns available to him, and he does. But he ALWAYS carries a concealed pistol, a Glock I think. Why concealed? because "he doesn't want the bad guys to know he has it."



We will never understand.

It's all a mistake in interpretation. Just had this sent to me by email.
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I have got a mate up the road who is a "Gun Nut", but that is too harsh a description for him. He has a collection of pistols and rifles. He is passionate about his hobby. He is an active weekly attendee of the pistol club and loads his own ammunition. He regularly goes further out west to shoot goats, pigs and kangaroos on private property where the farmer invites him on to the place.
When you visit his place there is no sign of any weapons on show and he will only let you see them at his invitation.
He dispatched a black snake for us here 3 years ago because it was too close to the house for safety sake.
There are, I know, a lot of blokes who should not have any access to a firearm because they are just not "adult" enough for them

My wife read me an Email some one had sent her. It was about an old woman who was pulled up by the police for some thing and when they looked in her bag they found a large loaded pistol. The police asked her what she was afraid of she answered "With that gun with me.....nothing!!!"
Its a very touchy issue that has been coming to a head for a long time and it won't be finalised soon.

Originally Posted by jimbur

It's all a mistake in interpretation. Just had this sent to me by email.
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Thats why they need the guns, to shoot the bears to get the arms..

Originally Posted by jimbur

It's all a mistake in interpretation. Just had this sent to me by email.
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Bear arms don't kill people, people with bear arms kill people

Originally Posted by Avery

I heard one shout something like " if you try an take way our guns, it will all start up again , just like 1776"
I guess he wasn't big on history...
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He wants to fight the British????



(1776 in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

It's all well and good to have a go at professional lobbyists and fringe nutters who are very good at making fools of themselves, but the essence of the argument is rational.

To achieve any solution to ANY problem you first have to define the problem and what you hope to achieve, then formulate a rational course of action, measure the results rinse and repeat.

That's not what happens.

"concerned citizens" hop on a soap box, politicians attempt a popular expedient action hopefully not costing too much, the people set to suffer launch a counter campaign. Media fan the flames because a punch up raises ratings and helps advertising revenue.

In this case what do you hope to achieve ? Protect students ? Easy, train and arm the teachers. Pass alaw that garantees them immunity from prosecution if they shoot an armed intruder.

It is well demonstrated that the best way to stop gun crime is to forcibly arm everyone.

But that leads to more accidental shootings and potentially crimes of passion.

A lot of people don't realise that gun laws vary across the USA. In fact there is a clear correlation worldwide between stricter gun laws and higher rates of gun crime. Obviously gun laws don't CAUSE gun crime, what happens is in jurisdictions where gun crime is more common stricter gun laws are the usual response.

All these issues go the same way, from anti speeding campains to global waming. It always gets hijacked by "do gooders" wanting to feel good about themselves by persecuting someone else, and interest groups with an agenda to prosecute. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Originally Posted by damian

It is well demonstrated that the best way to stop gun crime is to forcibly arm everyone.

But that leads to more accidental shootings and potentially crimes of passion.

I think these two statements are contradictory and in any event neccessarily lead to increased shooting events.

Obviously gun laws don't CAUSE gun crime, what happens is in jurisdictions where gun crime is more common stricter gun laws are the usual response.

I'm afraid I can't agree with that. The UK is a prime example. Relatively strict gun laws. Even the cops used to have difficulty obtaining a gun for their duties. Gun crime was really low, but I concede that it has increased (as it has almost everywhere): Still way below the type of circumstances we see in the US.

All these issues go the same way, from anti speeding campains to global waming. It always gets hijacked by "do gooders" wanting to feel good about themselves by persecuting someone else, and interest groups with an agenda to prosecute. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

I have said elsewhere that you just cannot accept statements, particularly in the media, at face value. It seems everybody has an agenda. Some hidden and some overt and I agree that oportunists are right there in the thick of things attempting to capture their share.

Some facts remain incontrovertable: America is experiencing a wave of mass killings by mentally disturbed people of innocent children. These same mentally disturbed people have easy access to guns courtesy of lax guns laws and inefffective background checking. The results are tragic and should arguably lead to a change in regulations.

That is not happening and even worse looks like it never will because of an entrenched mentality.

The civilised world is outraged (on America's behalf as they do not appear to have a conscience of their own) and despairs at behaviour that is starting to approach that of emergent countries dominated be ruthless, predatory, unconsionable warlords.

Regards
Paul

Interesting news item last night said there are now as many guns in Australia as there were at the time of Port Arthur,
but the number of gun deaths had halved in that period.

Wonder if it was raw figures or on a per capita basis?

Either way I think it says a lot for tight gun control.

Originally Posted by artme

Either way I think it says a lot for tight gun control.

I think that may be somewhat of a simplistic and probably incorrect assumption. Firearm deaths were on the decrease before gun control and any effect gun control had on deaths is dubious at best.

Lots of things have an impact on gun deaths, not the least being a stronger focus on mental health support - because in reality rational people don't generally go around killing themselves or others.