Thread: SPEED CAMERAS ??? Cash cows

Originally Posted by niksfree

Hi fellow Australians I believe this is of interest to everyone who tries to obey the law. this website www.fightfines.info is an excellent site informing the Australian People what is going on and how to resolve this menace.

Remember always.....

A Sovereign man/woman asks questions and gives directions ..

A Slave answers questions and consents to all directions whether they are right or wrong...

From what I am led to believe, speedos CAN and DO read higher than the real speed, but NOT lower.

So what exactly is your problem?

Originally Posted by niksfree

A Sovereign man/woman asks questions and gives directions ..

As you so wisely put a Sovereign man asks questions so may I ask you these simple questions: Who specifically is behind this website? :confused: Who are these concerned citizens?:confused:


BTW the real menace on our roads are the maniacs who blatantly disregard the laws and speed and when caught claim that law enforcement is all about revenue raising. If they don't want to pay these fines then don't speed.:mad:

Peter.

How about you just slow down, mate?

If you drive over the limit and hit one of my family, a fine will be the last of your worries.

Gooses that whinge about getting caught when they break the law.... and a whole website of them. I would have thought that they'd be too ashamed to want to be known.
Mr niksfree, like the ad says...you are a bloody idiot.

How sad to see how quick people are conditioned to shooting the messenger without looking at the message ie read the website, it has nothing to do with blatant speeding or breaking the LAW. Remember what was once said ... He who is without sin can cast the first stone...
If you had read the governments own documents you will see that claims such as those posted are just that claims without substance. No I do not speed or promote breaking the law but I expect the government to abide by the law namely our constitution.

Oh i just had a thought. It has been said that woodworking can be a dangerous hobby with all the glue fumes etc.

Hi Niks

The idea behind speed cameras is very simple.

To reduce the average speed of vehicles on the road within or as close as possible to the speed limit imposed by traffic engineers.

Here is how simple it is to show just how stupid that site you linked to is.

If all the drivers complied with the speed applicable to the road then the camera wouldnt go flash and fools wouldnt complain and the govt gets nothing.......The only downside is that the speed camera company goes broke but thats life.

Simple Hey!

If you cant see a big white sign with red numbers on it (the size of a small child by comparison if you can make the distinction) then really you dont deserve to be on the road.

Speed is not the only factor in serious collisions, but in my experience is evident in at least a 1/3 to 1/2 of all serious collisions.

Stupid site.

Originally Posted by dazzler

If all the drivers complied with the speed applicable to the road then the camera wouldnt go flash and fools wouldnt complain and the govt gets nothing

I've only had a quick look at the site but it seems to be mainly concerned with being fined for speeds within 10% of the limit which is a bit harsh when cars are only required to have a speedo accuracy of +/-10%.

NIKS sent this to me by PM

"Hi may i respectfully ask that you read the facts before uttering ridiculous statements and showing the world ignorance"

Now I wouldnt normally do this but thought it worth a giggle

I wonder who the forum thinks is ignorant :confused:

Dazzlers credentials;

4 years Traffic Accident Investigations - Investigating serious/fatal collisions including drafting of collision sites

4 years vehicle causational investigations mechanic - full mechanicals on vehicles involved in serious/fatal accidents

Another 11 years enforcing the laws and responding to accident

Come on NIK.........your up mate

Almost forgot,

Current ADRS

As of the 1st of July, 2006; all new model motor vehicles in
Australia must comply with ADR 18/03 which is aligned with UNECE
Regulation 39/00 (Rev 1.).

In terms of accuracy, it requires that vehicle speeds be checked at
40, 80 and 120 km/h (as appropriate to the vehicle - the highest
speed is only required if the vehicle's maximum speed is faster than
150). The speedometer must not indicate a speed lower than the true speed.

Speed cameras etc do not worry me. I do not speed......
Never had a ticket for anything, even parking....

Do not break the law and there is no problem.
Break the law and --------

80 = up to 80 not 80 + a bit----

Originally Posted by niksfree

Hi fellow Australians I believe this is of interest to everyone who tries to obey the law. this website www.fightfines.info is an excellent site informing the Australian People what is going on and how to resolve this menace.

Remember always.....

A Sovereign man/woman asks questions and gives directions ..

A Slave answers questions and consents to all directions whether they are right or wrong...

for fooks sake, go and visit Iraq for 6 months and then come back and complain about getting a fine for speeding, I'm sure a lot of people need a visit to some shytehole to put things in perspective

Originally Posted by womble

for fooks sake, go and visit Iraq for 6 months and then come back and complain about getting a fine for speeding, I'm sure a lot of people need a visit to some shytehole to put things in perspective

Why would you stick your nose in someone elses backyard we have enough problems here if you care to look.

I'll have a lash at this Dazzler.

First of all the government has no standard for training drivers and fails to comply with the Australian Standard so far as speed limits is concerned.

Speed is involved in every accident that ever happened. If there were no speed there would be no collisions. A car at 1 km/h has speed and might be involved in a collision. Remove all speed and there will be no collisions.

Haven't looked at the web site yet but being a driver who sticks to the speed limit at all times I was booked for doing 99 in an 80km/h zone two weeks ago. Might have been a hidden sign with one of the new wheelie bin cameras that got me. Stings almost as much as the time I was done 5 years ago. I was obeying the limit and a speeding car drove past me. We were both in the photo and I got a fine. Don't know what happened to him.

In Melbourne they removed unmanned Speed Cameras as they were shown in court to be unreliable. In the twelve months after the cameras were removed there was a 25% reduction in accidents and fatalities on that road compared to the twelve months before when the cameras were operating. Basically being free of the 2km/h "tolerance" drivers concentrated on driving safely.

Economist Alan Woods has presented evidence of the reduction in fatalities and the cost to reduce it further and proved it is no issue at all. It is just a headline grabber that politicians like to use to distract voters from more important issues that the Politicians don't want to tackle for fear of offending some minority.

Introduce some driver training in things that matter such as panic stops and swerving to avoid a collision and (particularly here in SA) roadworthy checks that matter and you will see a far greater reduction in the fatality count. Cameras are easy money and the stuff that will have an effect requires commitment to a greater good. Not something politicians of any colour are good at.

In fact a long straight boring country road at 100 km/h so boring it is no wonder there are accidents. Make the speed limit 160 or 180 and see a reduction in the road toll.

Studley

Originally Posted by dazzler

NIKS sent this to me by PM

"Hi may i respectfully ask that you read the facts before uttering ridiculous statements and showing the world ignorance"

Now I wouldnt normally do this but thought it worth a giggle

I wonder who the forum thinks is ignorant :confused:

Dazzlers credentials;

4 years Traffic Accident Investigations - Investigating serious/fatal collisions including drafting of collision sites

4 years vehicle causational investigations mechanic - full mechanicals on vehicles involved in serious/fatal accidents

Another 11 years enforcing the laws and responding to accident

Come on NIK.........your up mate

Yes you make me laugh as you still have not read what is written on the site including the statements made by the victorian auditor general who relied on people like you for his reports.

Another bloody troll.

Ive read through all your posts, and 90% are just utter rubbish.

Al