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    OK, I've been a slack moderator & not watching this section ('cos you are all so well-behaved here & rarely need chastising ). Nah, I've been slack, I'll admit it...

    Just sent a reply to a PM from Matt concerning his dovetails which are causing him some concern. As I said to him already, you have to think (ahead) in three dimensions in this game. He's cutting his joints the opposite way from the way I've shown in my 'manual', & I think it has caused some of the confusion - the steps in my 'manual' wouldn't make sense in that case. However, I don't think it's a game-stopper. The way Bill carter does his mitre planes is to put "pins" on the sides, & 'tails' on the sole; it's the only way you can do it with continuous, bent sides as on his planes. It looks just the same when it's all banged up, & does the same job. Matt just has a slightly more awkward job when it comes to scribing the tails to the bottoms of his sides, but if he uses a block of wood, a couple of clamps, & four hands it'll be fine.

    Dunno what I'd call the sole join you've used - a birdsmouth? TBH, I reckon it would be more difficult to do well than a tongue & groove joint, so I dips me lid to you, sir. I found the first one I made much easier than I expected, and it's fairly easy to cover up any slight imperfections with some judicious peening, whatever join you use. Some people just use a straight bevel. The advantage of a T&G as I see it is that if you get a good, firm fit it can hold the parts of the sole together nicely while you scribe sides. I've suggested to Matt that it might help if he silver-solders the sole back together before that step, so that the bits stay properly registered while marking out. Once the sole & sides are banged together, it doesn't matter what join you used, the sides keep it closed up.

    Anyway, as Ck says, just soldier on - I was close to giving up in despair several times on my first infill, but was determined to finish the damned thing after I'd invested so much time (& pride!) in it. You'll be fine...

    Cheers,
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    Hi all. Matt, brass came today. Thank you very much (especially for the extra bits). So how many days is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Ash View Post
    Hi all. Matt, brass came today. Thank you very much (especially for the extra bits). So how many days is that?


    Regards
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    PS: I take full credit for the expedited delivery as Oz Post clearly pulled out the stops to discredit me.

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    I'm glad for your help Paul. Hopefully your influence extends to Matt's timber delivery too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Ash View Post
    Hi all. Matt, brass came today. Thank you very much (especially for the extra bits). So how many days is that?
    Don’t know, do we call that four days, or be kind, because Paul “feels” he helped out an make it 3 days an bits.

    Cheers Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post


    Regards
    Paul

    PS: I take full credit for the expedited delivery as Oz Post clearly pulled out the stops to discredit me.

    You need help discrediting yourself Paul,
    O dear me.

    Cheers Matt.

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    Default The Art of filling and a Mitre Plane.

    Well now that Ian has finally decided to pop is head in here.
    An them has ceremonially pushed me offthe petstal that Lance stuck me on(an have you noticed he’s temporarily not available immmmm).

    So after quite bit of sole searching(that was good lol)
    An a pet talk from Ian in private,
    I will re commence my forward push to get this little bugger done.

    For those not following I’ve cut me pins an tails upside down,tho this is not completely out of the ordinary just a little bit too the left.

    Will hopefully report in with carry ons in the next few days.


    Cheers Matt.

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    Hi Matt. Perhaps the advantage of cutting the pins and tails as you have done lies in keeping the sides from bulging out?

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    [QUOTE=Simplicity;2202409

    So after quite bit of sole searching(that was good lol)


    [/QUOTE]

    Matt

    Not lost on me!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Ash View Post
    Hi Matt. Perhaps the advantage of cutting the pins and tails as you have done lies in keeping the sides from bulging out?

    Na, your just making me feel good from doing dumb [emoji6].

    Cheers Matt.

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    I think I almost have a case to re name this thread to, something like The art of stumbling through a mitre plane build,

    So , after Ian’s pep talk , I threw myself back at it with all the enthusiasm of a six year old boy on six pack of energy drinks.well almost if that includes wondering out to Neil’s shed somewhere between 10,30 ish am.
    This actually over two days!!

    So , first order of the day ,was to mark out and cut the pins for the sides,



    Like so, another lesson learned , I really need to focus more on marking out, and not be to inpatient!!

    Then cut down like so and hacked out for filing.


    Some will notice, I’ve used filing guide bars,the even keener eagle eyed ones will notice there HSS (High speed steel)
    There are two general thought patterns here,
    One is HSS is a no ,no because you will damage a file ,and you should use mild steel,
    Others say ,there a guide and you shouldn’t be touching them with the file,
    Then there’s me,there all I have to hand and I’m not going to make a pair right now!!

    So ,after making up three sides [emoji3064][emoji3064][emoji3064][emoji3064] yep ,first side went reasonably well, but ,boy o boy , is getting down to the last bit tedious,and those corners really need to be sharp to pull the sides in.

    So ,why three sides , well marking out is important and also having the areas clearly marked that actual needs to be removed,as a opposed to the area’s that need to stay [emoji3064][emoji3064][emoji3064].

    Moving right along now ,lol
    Next was to make a peening block , had some F17 Hardwood (Tasie oak) scrap in the Work Van.

    First , I roughly cut this down with my circular saw, then using my infinite angled HSS wrist plane guide scraped it to final dimension.


    Next order of business tomorrow will be more filling more checking, more filing checking, because it’s still a little bit like a Collingwood footy fan gapie and hopefully the fun bit some metal bashing.


    Note point next plane I do that sole steel is going to be a lot better [emoji6].

    Cheers Matt.

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    Maybe you are stumbling in an artfull way ;-)

    Just keep going. I am sure it'll be worth it.

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    Despite your hiccups Matt, it all looks very impressive to me.

    You’re a bit like an accomplished violinist playing in a national orchestra bemoaning their lack of skill for not being first chair.

    I continue to follow your progress with much interest.

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    Matt, no plane looks particularly pretty at this stage, and it'll look worse by the time you beat those pins & tails tight, but if you close everything up thoroughly, the next stage should be very gratifying. At least you've had a bit of practice belting metal with hammers, so you shouldn't have too many mis-hits!

    After that, brace yourself for even more filing - lots of people with decent linishers or disc sanders use them for initial clean-up, but I don't have any suitable machinery for that, so I'm stuck with the primitive way. It's a good workout, and much safer for the plane, the odd graze of the sides from a file doesn't do any permanent damage. You can get away with less "spare" metal protruding than you've allowed on your plane, which saves a lot of extra work filing off the excess, but you need to ensure a good fit of pins & tails so you don't have to fill any large voids. I think it's safer to leave a bit extra on your first plane or two, though; better to have a bit of extra filing than an ugly gap you couldn't fill!

    The next part should give you a boost. As you see everything cleaning up, and lovely tight joints appearing, you'll start to feel like some of the pain was worth it after all. From then on, the only tricky part is fitting the lever cap. You can have as many goes at fitting the infill as you like (use some scrap for your first attempt, to iron out the bugs), but you only get one go at drilling for the lever-cap pivots (or cross-bar, if you intend using a wedge). I was so nervous about it on my first infill (which I'd stupidly complicated by giving it curved sides!), it took about two days to pluck up the courage to actually drill the holes after I marked them out!

    Cheers,
    IW

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    This is illuminating as it is amusing

    Watching with great interest!

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