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21st February 2008, 10:25 PM #1Senior Member
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I have read Kingshott, but am still confused
All,
I splashed out and purchased Kingshott's book titled "Making and modifying woodworking tools". The book is a great read, but honestly old Jim was an ideas man - not too good on the detail.
I intend to make a plane will brass sides and mild steel sole, starting with a thumb plane and working my way into complexity.
Jim has neglected to provide any dimensional details for the adjuster on the thumb plane (chapter 12 if you have the book). I should be able to overcome this problem by checking the details on good sites such as this one http://www.xmission.com/~jry/ww/tool.../jy-panel.html , but what I am struggling with is how I cut the mouth into the sole without a mill. As I intend to build this and future planes with the minimum number of electrons burned as possible, I would appreciate any suggestions as to how I achieve this. I would rather not chop the sole into 2 pieces and rejoin later.
If anybody has posts of this or simlar projects I would love a look at how you did it.
Thanks in advance,
Anthony
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21st February 2008, 10:42 PM #2
Anthony
I know what you mean about the details. This website can help: Peter McBride is a jeweller in Melbourne who makes and restores hand tools as a hobby. He gives a number of interesting technical points including a discussion of how to match the dovetails with the mouth of a skewed chariot plane.
Best of luck and make sure you show us what you come up with.Cheers
Jeremy
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22nd February 2008, 12:03 AM #3Member
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Anthony
I have made a couple of planes where I have had to form a mouth in the sole. What I do is firstly draw an elevation through the plane (see attachment for what I mean) showing the blade thickness. From this you can determine the width of the narrowest part of the opening.
Once this is determined, I drill a line of holes just shy of the minimum width as closely spaced as possible . This should be done in a drill press with a fence setup to keep the holes accurately in line.
When you have your line of holes I get a small round file and file through the cusp between as many holes as I need to get a hacksaw blade into the slot. One trick with the hacksaw if your slot is of sufficient width is to use 2 blades in the frame to give a wider kerf.
Then it is just a matter of gradually opening up the slot with a file. A coarse cut 4" of 5" file is usually what I start with.
It is not a quick way of doing the job but with patience you can get a very good result.
The blades I have cut slots for have all been 5mm thick so the bottom opening is quite large relatively speaking. If you were trying to do a mouth for a 2.5mm blade you would find this a lot harder to do.
Hope this helps,
John
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22nd February 2008, 06:31 AM #5Senior Member
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Thank you for the information
Thank you for the responses, that was quick.
Jeremy - the site for McBride is excellent. Nice to see we have someone with such skill and passion in our corner of the world. His description and photos on sweating a sole is very interesting.
John - thanks for the information. Seems you have already tried this. It may not be the last time I call on your help. The Kingshott book is a pleasure to read but I become frustrated by the lack of essential detail. That is how I got stuck here, but it won't be the last time I am sure.
Thanks all.
Anthony
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23rd February 2008, 08:12 PM #6Senior Member
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Hi,
I have read on the internet elsewhere that Jim Kingshott's original manual for this book was lots larger but his publisher edited it down in size to make the selling price lower and thus the book more "marketable". This probably explains why the details you are after are missing. Jim was certainly not an ideas man but very practical - see his videos on using planes.
The book also has a number of errors where the text and the diagrams/pictures conflict most noticeably with one another, e.g. the location of the mouth of the jointer plane. See the following site for a list of these errors and what the correct information should be:
http://www.nonesuchtools.com/kingshott.html
Happy plane-making
PaulNew Zealand
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24th February 2008, 12:33 AM #7
Re the mouth in the sole. if make the sole a two piece, and put two or more dovetails in the front section you get a satisfactory result. Thats the way I did it.
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