Thread: The Australian ID Card

Originally Posted by Ashore

Then the best reason for it is Peter Garrett is against it

Well, maybe not the best reason, but a quite good one.

Yeah but wasn't Garrett in favour of Keatings Australia card way back when.

I was so opposed to the old card but having at the time a feral anger against the government that is Hawke Keating, and their lofty predisposition that was most of the reason maybe.

For a card now I can't see much point. There are lots of ways to ID people from passports to Drivers Licences Medicare Cards and so on and on.

London Bombers would not have been stopped by an ID card. SO not than I am against it I just can't see that there is any real reason to have one.

Studley

Why not put the money it would cost into more police to handle the everyday crime scene. Can't see how you would plan to avoid terrorism anyway as they are cowards and only attack undefended targets.

I see no point to it whatsoever.

Stopping terrorist acticities? Please, don't make me laugh. What dim-wit would believe that? It's just another (poor) excuse to reintroduce Hawkies proposal. Which, I'd like to point out, was suggested way before current terrorist hype.

It'd have little effect on crime, professional criminals aren't stupid enough to carry an authentic driver's license, let alone an ID card. At best, it'd make ID'ing the "dumb delinquents" a bit easier. At worst it provides another step closer to an Orwellian future. In reality, it's just another step in the govt's apparent aim of making the individual do the paperwork for them.

The only way to positively ID anybody would be to have a DNA/fingerprint bank for all citizens... and the day that happens I'll emigrate to a more liberal country. Like Iraq.

All in all, it's a bit like the gun laws. Makes it easier for the gov't to keep an eye on the sheep, but the wolves do not obey the rules of the flock.

G'day,

As with all things - if you've got nothing to hide why worry about it?

As always it's the civil @%#^*%$ libertarians :mad: who scream blue murder, but then they always do, if it was up to them everything would be banned and it'd be anachy on the streets.

Will it stop terrorism? Nope, and nothing will. Will it stop someone flogging ID? Probably. Is it needed? I don't know.

Like I said 1st up, if you're a law abiding citizen it won't worry you.

Civil LIbertarians are the biggest bunch of hippocrites that God ever put breath into, wait until something happens next door to them and it's a different rant.
Bit like the dedicated cop haters, who do they call when their car gets pinched
And getting a little off topic, that lunatic feminist group, Women Against Rape, how many have you met who are for it?????

Originally Posted by Iain

And getting a little off topic, that lunatic feminist group, Women Against Rape, how many have you met who are for it?????

You're dead right, no woman has raped me in 61 years and I gave them plenty of oportunity.

I hate the socialist workers. they want you to go to counceling for everything. little johny leaves his lunch at home -- its ok just go an get see the councelor. sprains his ankle in the play ground, ohhh poor dear, you need to see a councelor. goes to school and tell the teacher daddy got a splinter at work yesterday - oooh noooo! thats terrible , you must see the councelor imedeatly... whats the world comming to:eek:

G'day,

I can see one use for the Australia Card - to stop the dole bludgers claiming (to those honest people on the dole, no offence meant) benefits under different names.

"I hate the socialist workers. they want you to go to counceling for everything" - in the words of Ted Bullpit, "Someone should bloody well shoot 'em!"

"Civil LIbertarians are the biggest bunch of hippocrites" - in the words of Ted Bullpit, "Someone should bloody well shoot 'em!"

Oh dear! I don't like may people do I?

Originally Posted by Waldo

I can see one use for the Australia Card - to stop the dole bludgers claiming (to those honest people on the dole, no offence meant) benefits under different names.

Huh? Aren't applications already checked against your tax file no? If people are already running around with duplicate TFN's, what's to stop 'em from running around with multiple ID cards? How will changing the name of a bit of paper make any difference?

"Civil LIbertarians are the biggest bunch of hippocrites" - in the words of Ted Bullpit, "Someone should bloody well shoot 'em!"

Civil libertarians may be a pita but don't forget that, unlike the US, the rights of the individual are not defined in the Australian constitution (which basically deals with the rights of the govt bodies) and are only regulated by common law.

We don't even have an effective watchdog, our system seems to rely on the "squeaky wheel" principle.

But it suits me fine, just as it is.

Originally Posted by Waldo

in the words of Ted Bullpit, "Someone should bloody well shoot 'em!"

Not to be picky or anything, but it was usually "someone should blow bloody 'insert subject' up"

I'm a law-abiding citizen, mostly, and where my behaviour does conflict with the law I believe it's the law that requires modifying. I also have something to hide: my life. It's mine, and you can't look at it. Funny how people's definition of freedom seems to be so flexible, and so selectively applied.

So anyway, no. No surprises there, I'm sure.

Regards,
Rusty.

Do a cost analysis of what we will gain versus what it costs then spend the money on the health system. It needs it.

Originally Posted by oges

Not to be picky or anything, but it was usually "someone should blow bloody 'insert subject' up"

G'day Oges,

Thanks for the clarification. Someone should bring back Kingswood Country on TV, the best Australain show by far.

Got the best of DVD pack for my b'day, sadly 13 episodes is not enough.

Unfortunately I dont think it would ever be back on tv, it wouldnt make it past the political correctness BS we have these days