Thread: No furniture, no Quokka but lots o'paper

Originally Posted by Lignum

Bleedin Ill tell you one thing that is FACT. More Quokkas are hurt on Rotto by idiots than any tree falling over in the forests of the south west

What about trees ... I had one jump out infront of my car once.:eek:

So is that why you want that forest logged .. to protect the quokkas from getting hurt by falling trees?

Originally Posted by Red_B'

G'day Felixe,
I don't know if Jarrah does grow in Tasmania. I can't find a reference to it on the net but as Gunns is doing its best to construct a pulp mill at Bell Bay for Kraft wood, they will probably "import" Jarrah from WA. After all, if Bell Bay is to produce 800,000 tonnes of pulp EVERY YEAR, where do the trees come from?

I hadn't heard about that:confused: Where did you read this info, last I heard Gunns were looking down South. Hmmm, Bell bay is already crowded out with the smelter,:eek: lovely area to visit around near Georgetown.
Ideal place live around there with the proximity to Bass Strait and all the wineries, esp. Janz!

All the info' I've posted comes directly from scientists, reserachers, the Internet and people in the area.
Simcoa used to employ contractors to cart whole Jarrah logs to their silicon plant but were embarrassed when a video exposing it was aired. Now they contract to spot mills that mill the logs into chocks (wood blocks) and then cart them into the plant in covered trucks.
Simcoa don't do any of the physical logging in the forest. This is all organised by the government department in charge of logging, the Forest Products Commission. That department tenders to the logging contractors and mills (i.e. Gunns) and sells the blocks on for $5/Tonne. As the Jarrah has been cut down to blocks that can no longer be used for anything else, it is now called "Residue" and that's why the majority of the public thinks that the charcoal timber comes from residue.
Simcoa could use plantation eucalyptus to produce charcoal, but why bother when you can source Jarrah for a bargain basement price of $5 per tonne. It won't do us much good to whinge because there is shortage of hardwood for our industry/hobby. There is barely a murmur when the 150,000-tonnes per annum of excellent quality Jarrah right under our noses let alone the other timbers that go to chipping.

The pic is of Jarrah logs which are first stripped of bark at small spot mills and then milled into chocks and sent to the silicon smelter.

So whats your point?

And how many other boards do you troll just stiring up trouble?


Even the Poll questions are stupid and loaded. 30% have treated it as the joke it is.

And show me one member of this forum who thinks Jarrah SHOULD be chipped... What a dumb question.



So go away Red_B and annoy someone else:mad:

Originally Posted by Lignum

So whats your point?

And how many other boards do you troll just stiring up trouble?

Go away red and annoy someone else:mad:

Honestly Lignum, to me, woodwork is constructing furniture or artifacts, whatever, carving, turning, even house construction. I am not having a go at that. I'm not even having a go at the logging industry in general. I merely said that a species is being endangered by timber being felled for pulp woodchipping and charcoal and asked how others felt about it.
You are way off the beam.
Since when does only having 6 posts have anything to do with anything? I've offered rational comment.
Nobody is asking you to contribute to, or even read, this discussion. It's commendable of you to defend something or someone but I'm not attacking any member of Woodwork Forums so I really don't see what you're getting so upset about. If you choose to ignore truth and facts then that's up to you.
$5 per Tonne Lignum. That alone tells you there's something wrong.
400,000 Tonnes of Jarrah to pulp and charcoal - is that OK with you?
It seems to be because that's what you're defending. You are not defending anyone in here.
I have many friends and acquaintances in timber logging, cartage and milling here in Victoria and I can tell you that those I've spoken to since I began this thread, agree with me. They also praise Clinton1, Bleedin Thumb and Mick for their comments being reasoned and fair. None of my mates here do anything near what's happening to WA's old growth forests.

Re the dot tk web-site, I think they have it because it's one of those freebies. I still can't open it. I even turned off my firewall so perhaps my ISP has issues with it.
Cheers,
Red

Originally Posted by Red_B'

Since when does only having 6 posts have anything to do with anything? Red

Your posts total nothing more than a rant, which as I asked earlier, brings into question why you've taken it upon yourself to post nothing else but on this great Forum. :mad:

I read Clinton's post as telling you to go buy some forestry land and leave it to it's natural course and sticking it up the timber industry - but then I may have read it wrong.

Like I said earlier I understand and agree with conservation, but my tolerance runs out when parties do nothng else but stand on a soapbox. Find a nice big fat and unfortunate tree that is being felled and stand in the way of its path as it falls over, that way you might save some trees otherwise also being felled that lie in its path. :mad:

Originally Posted by Red_B'

Honestly Lignum, to me, woodwork is constructing furniture or artifacts, whatever, carving, turning, even house construction.

Looks like i misjudjed you as a Mung Bean Muncher, but your realy into woodwork, good on yu

Tell us about some of the stuff you like to make and even a few photos wouldnt go astray

At $5 per ton, what is the per hectare rate for a forestry lease?
How many hectares can you buy for that rate?

I still think that putting your $ where your ideals lie is the best bet, as well as informing others of how they can do it as well.


Have fun.

G'day Clinton,
I liked the way you chuck in, "Have fun". (you're a fisherman too, am I right coz I know I bite. hahaha)
You're right with your last post and, yes, I have contributed in other ways having been watching over the situation for about five years or so. Discussion is very important as a lot of happenings are allowed to be pushed to the background so as not to alert the public.
There are plenty of avenues for others to assist and I guess through http://www.savearcadiaforest.tk would be as good as any. I finally gained access to that site by the way; I hadn't been able to get on it for two months. I e-mailed my ISP to ask if it had an issue with "Dot TK" sites and all of a sudden it opened to me (without any sort of reply from my ISP I might add).
Sorry I didn't respond more fully to your post (a valuable contribution - thanks) on page3.
The people with the Save Arcadia Forest web-site offered to buy the lease on the particular section for $28,000 (pledged by conscerned public) which is the going value for the area. The WA government waived the offer and continue to allow the timber to be taken out at $5/Tonne.
As mentioned earlier, plantation timber could be used but the WA gov' sells Old Growth Forest Jarrah for $5/Tonne.
NOTE: Under the "State Agreement Act", nobody pays ANY logging rights as the government lets contracts for the whole operation from standing timber to wood chocks to the Simcoa plant.
As a matter of interest, Simcoa pays a "Pepper Corn Lease" of One Dollar per year (about a quarter of one cent per day) for the land under its processing plant.
Waldo: Well, I guess in a way it is, "a rant" as you say. I started this thread quite simply. But, where does Waldo draw a line on the obliteration of a forest area or an endangered species? You tell us that. I am not attacking the timber industry. I have put up for discussion the practice of selling perfect Jarrah at $5/Tonne at a rate of 150,000 Tonnes per annum for charcoal. Perfectly good Jarrah. It might not make 10" thick dining room table tops but it would make the absolute best ever finest dining table I've ever seen (well nearly, apart from a blackwood one I once saw [envy]).
Ernknot: The Jarrah in the pics I've posted do get burned to charcoal. It gets debarked, sectioned and cut to wood chocks. I wouldn't mind if it were plantation timber and went to decking, carpentry and that favourite old Irish fellow, Paddy O'Furniture. But it isn't. 150,000 Tonnes per annum are sold for $5/Tonne by the WA government for charcoal production. Yes, there's quite an amount of timber that goes to good purpose and perhaps it is from plantation; but not the charcoal stuff.
Re Tasmania, Gunns proposes 800,000 Tonnes per annum of wood chip from Bell Bay; you tell me where they'll get that much timber. WA timber has been discussed for Bell Bay.
I wonder if they can put that beautiful Jarrah grain back into the MDF. (perhaps if we close our eyes tightly and click our heels together three times, it might just happen)
It is so simple to demand evidence of truth and to off-handedly discount it, and it is so much more moronically simple to not profer evidence or facts against a stated truth.

Now, to the term "Mung Bean Muncher":
I must say that using derogatory names for participants in a forum is a well known method in an attempt to intimidate and alienate people from a group. Children do it, rascists do it and, to take it to an extreme, world leaders do it to start wars.
I can tell you that this will not be what the originator/s, administrators and moderators of "Woodwork Forums" want 'The Forum' to endorse and participants who do, sadly let them, The Forum, the hobby and the industry down very badly if that is what a visitor can expect to see.
My thanks to Journeyman Mick, Clinton1, Bleedin Thumb, Shedhand, Coastie, Felixe and even Robbiewy. I know we don't strictly agree but you have been constructive in the discussion and agreement/disagreement.
Regards,
Red_B'

Its run its course.

Al