Thread: No furniture, no Quokka but lots o'paper

Red_B
Removal of any tree or even a weed from your yard destroys a habitat for something.

If you want to point fingers then think about how many ants and other small creatures (and their habitats) you destroyed when you walked around today.

Best to stick to the concrete and watch every step you make so you can sleep with a clear consious tomorrow night.

G’day, Some of you asked for more info’………….
Coastie: Good one, no, it's out of Arcadia Forest. Haha, is King’s Park a Bot’Garden?
The comments I’ve put here are merely formed in response to the way some members have ungraciously “treated my first post” (pun intended).
BobL: I’ve never cuddled a quokka so I defer to your personal familiarity with them.
Ramps: You’re totally incorrect about quokkas’ preferred habitat; it is not as you say. They live in fairly dense undergrowth. I’ve never to been to Rottnest Island but its quokka are genetically different to the mainland’s and for all I know may live in the open as you (off the hip) say.
Lignum: No, I’ve not been to these old growth forests.
Lignum: The “chick” in the photo is my cousin with a walking stick (due to loss of most of her foot) not a shovel. She also has chronic fatigue syndrome which even you would not wish on anyone if you knew all its inherent problems.
I did make an error as to the fate of the log: it, along with 150,000 Tonnes PER YEAR of other Jarrah logs, will be turned to charcoal by a Japanese company for their silicon chip industry. Another 150,000 Tonnes will go as sawlogs, not chips - Sorry.
200,000 to 250,000 Tonnes PER YEAR of Karri will be cut from old growth forests and go to PULP and it’s that timber I’ve confused with Jarrah. Quokka live in Karri forests also and are losing that habitat.
Shedhand is right when he says Jarrah is not much good for paper products – my error as I said but I didn’t get any of my info’ from your friend Dr.Bob. Why did you bring him into it?
None of the above logging will come from plantation trees.
To “harvest” something you have to plant it first (look the word up). Any other use of the word is prevarication on the part of the user.
I’m not a tree hugger by any means; I promote timber being used for construction and timber-craft but I am disappointed so much old growth forest will be destroyed and more so as it will not be replanted.
I’ve used some beautiful timbers in pattern-making and carpentry; some we probably can’t get now I’m ashamed to say.
I’m also disappointed at how far some fiddle-backed brains have taken this thread and made some quite irrational and erroneous assertions. Lies Shedhand? Rhetoric? Yes, I made an error on the Jarrah’s fate but it’s still going to be cleared and that means a protected species will probably be lost to several areas.
Oh yeah, and all the WA community gets is $5 per Tonne as a royalty for the 150,000 Tonnes per annum but it/we couldn’t buy a metre for $5. (the $5/Tonne is a maximum and tied to fluctuations in the price of silicon substrate which, like petrol, gets manipulated).
Definition: Lignum, secondary thickening on the stem – Better take your hands off it, eh Mate?
RodM: Ants? Get real, crikey that was a lame statement. Ants? Put the shellac down and go with the grain.
There are plans for at least two charcoal producing plants in Australia so there's more "Greenhouse Debt": it’ll be interesting to see what they feed into them. Japan by the way, uses virtually none of its own forests for charcoal or pulp, let alone firewood.
Too many people in here with knotholes for eyes and ears.
I get and appreciate humour and enjoy a good debate but not ill-informed drivel.
Cheers back to you.

Originally Posted by Red_B'

Definition: Lignum, secondary thickening on the stem – Better take your hands off it, eh Mate?

I think your the one who should take his hand of it and stop playing with yourself and get your facts straight

Originally Posted by Red_B'

Too many people in here with knotholes for eyes and ears.
I get and appreciate humour and enjoy a good debate but not ill-informed drivel.

G'day Red
200-250k tonnes of Karri being logged from old growth forests for pulp. Selective logging it's called. Some is selected for sawlog, some for veneer flitch and some for pulp. This is whats known as sustainable forestry. The Australian Forest Industry is regulated by the Forestry Code of Practice unlike many other countries where forests are plundered without any controls whatsoever. What people like you are advocating is the closure of our highly regulated, sustainable forest industry and the import replacement from the fast disappearing forests of south and central america and south east asia.

Yes, the royalties AND prices for our export pulp is low however you have to remember that we are competing in a ruthless market. If we ask too high a price for our pulp then foreign processors will simply buy elsewhere...Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam etc..

The quokka may be under threat but in those countries whole populations of rare and threatened species are displaced by the unfettered harvesting of forest habitats. In fact, whole populations of humans are displaced by these practices as well.

Its refreshing to find a greenie who admits to making a mistake let one who apologises for doing so.

Three things though. You still haven't told us the scientific basis for your comments.

I brought Dr Bob into the thread because he is the font of all the baseless, extremist rhetoric spouted by the green fraternity on this issue.
and thirdly, show us some of your woodwork so we can praise you for something positive.

cheers back again!

This is getting to heavy time for a quick joke.

Dr Bob went to his GP with a large splinter in his butt.
The GP had a look and said that’s massive but I can’t take it out.
Dr Bob. It really hurts rip it out.
GP. I can’t.
Dr Bob. Why not?
GP. It’s illegal to remove timber from a recreational area.

That will teach him a valuable lesson for the impropper use of a baseball bat:eek:

Red_B , Thanks for straightening out some of your mis-information I'd still like some more info, distribution of mainland Quokkas

Like shedhand said

They don't go into these areas to harvest (to gather ripened crop ... Collins Concise Dictionary)charcoal wood or pulpwood that is the reject pieces that don't make saw grade logs. Most of the charcoal wood I have seen is dead dried (often fallen) timber as drying grren timber before making charcoal is a real PITA.

As far as habitat Like you said the quokkas like undergrowth ... unless they're very young Jarrah doesn't form an undergrowth and when it does the "trees" aren't harvested or chopped down .
Areas of undergrowth predominate around the drainange depressions whcih are excluded from the harvestable areas. Understory in the open woodlands of the Jarrah forest is normally pretty low (except where introduced weed have taken over).

I'd back off on statements like "ill-informed drivel" if I was you, as you have, in your own words have backed down on a number of your original ill-informed statements.

On saying all that I hate seeing trees of that size on the ground too but this tree is not a quokka home nor is it a Karri forest so let's not get too many issues caught up together.

Yes let's see some of your work and positive comments and suggestions to others work before you get too preoccupied on the forum trying to portray a negative aspect to woodworking community ... you'll already find a very high proportion of intellectual environmentally aware people contribute to this forum. You'll get good support if bring to light a well informed environmental issue and don't portray a negative approach with a provocative poll as the one that started this thread.

Well Red B now youv'e done it... looks like youve pressed the red neck button

Be careful I think they smell new blood

And Red_B forgot to mention that its the Foxes and Feral Pigs (and CALMs often out of control backburning) that have gobbled up the Quokkas, NOT the timber industry.

Its interesting that anyone who doesn't agree with the green agenda (no progress at any price) is tarred as a red-neck irrespective of any meaningful, educated retort.

I care about australian industry, australian jobs and my grandkids future prospects. Equally I want to do my bit to halt or slow the global uncontrolled plundering of 3rd world forests.

If these concerns lead Bleeding Thumbs to label people who share my views as Rednecks then I plead guilty your honour.

C'mon fellas, proven scientific evidence is all we want.

My last post on this issue.

Originally Posted by Lignum

That will teach him a valuable lesson for the impropper use of a baseball bat:eek:

Ouch! A splinter in the sphincter.....:eek:

If it's true that that piece is to be chipped for paper - well. it's enough to make one want to cry

I wonder how many boards could be sliced from that trunk, and how many fine pieces of furniture made from those boards?

Some thoughts...

What money hungry evil corporation is going to spend actual money to convert a $1000 log into $250 of woodchips :confused: The top logs of that tree, some other ones that dont make good sawlogs might get chipped but the company will be looking to maximise the return on their investment.

The other thing is you can go into a forest, cut out 10% of the trees, and you still have a forest. Complete with 99% of the quokas. You can come back in another 20-50 years and do the same again. Thats sustainable forestry. There will still be Jarra trees and quokas in abundance.

Dont confuse harvesting a tree with destroying a forest. Indivual trees come and go, it's the forest you need to preserve.

Cheers

Ian

Originally Posted by Shedhand

Its interesting that anyone who doesn't agree with the green agenda (no progress at any price) is tarred as a red-neck irrespective of any meaningful, educated retort.


My last post on this issue.

Shed hand I was just injecting a bit of humor to diffuse the agro that was building.

I dont believe in broad lables for people based on short snapshots of their beliefs.
Like branding someone (a newbie no less) a greenie over one thread.

I think there is no harm in providing balance even if sometimes by playing the devils advocate.