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    Quote Originally Posted by michael_m View Post
    How about "new voice"?

    I think my McDonald's Birds of Australia has the meaning of australian bird genera in it, but it's at work and I don't finish holidays until next week (and I'm not going back just to find out if I'm right or not!).

    Does anyone have HANZAB? Originally the neophema parrots were in the genus Euphema, but were moved to the genus Neophema in the 1870s.

    new voice it is .. i have finally tracked down in my (many) reference books (and antique books) on birds one from australian museum which clearly describes each of them with the parenthetical observation "new voice"

    eg Orange bellied Parrot Neophema chrysogaster (krie'-soh-gas'-ter:"golden bellied new voice")

    regards david

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    Great!! Thank you for your persistent lexical sleuthing!!

    That bit about the voice was floating around somewhere in something I read but I couldn't find it again
    when I did a second search!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbygard View Post
    new voice it is .. i have finally tracked down in my (many) reference books (and antique books) on birds one from australian museum which clearly describes each of them with the parenthetical observation "new voice"

    eg Orange bellied Parrot Neophema chrysogaster (krie'-soh-gas'-ter:"golden bellied new voice")

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    well done David

    further confirmation
    Cayley's "What Bird is That" revised edition 1984

    Ne-o-phēm'-a Greek, neos, new; Greek pheme, voice


    Cayley's translates chrysogaster as chysos Golden gaster belly



    another lesson in why you shouldn't just rely on a Google search
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    And here was me thinking Latin!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    well done David

    further confirmation
    Cayley's "What Bird is That" revised edition 1984

    Ne-o-phēm'-a Greek, neos, new; Greek pheme, voice


    Cayley's translates chrysogaster as chysos Golden gaster belly



    another lesson in why you shouldn't just rely on a Google search

    thanks ... my cayley's parrots is a first edition 1938 and had a few names for it as well as Neophema (Neonanodes, Psittacus and Euphema) but no explanations for any of them (i would guess new orchid for the first ... the others are parrot and good voice)

    my oxford dictionary which is the 1933 edition didn't have it either ... they were the first places i looked

    the real reason it took me so long though was that i kept on getting sidetracked and reading interesting things ....

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    regards david

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbygard View Post
    thanks ... my cayley's parrots is a first edition 1938 and had a few names for it as well as Neophema (Neonanodes, Psittacus and Euphema) but no explanations for any of them (i would guess new orchid for the first ... the others are parrot and good voice)

    my oxford dictionary which is the 1933 edition didn't have it either ... they were the first places i looked

    the real reason it took me so long though was that i kept on getting sidetracked and reading interesting things ....

    regards david


    regards david
    from the 1984 edition of Cayley's

    Neonanodes -- possibly neo-nano-des = new small beak (des seems to relate to teeth or beak), or neon-a-nodes = new without "nodes" i.e. similar to a known species but without a particular characteristic of that species

    Psittacus -- Greek psitte, parrot; Greek pisttacula, a genus of Asian parrots

    Euphema -- possibly eu-phema
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    So you made me dust off the Latin dictionary for nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust maker View Post
    so you made me dust off the latin dictionary for nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    from the 1984 edition of Cayley's

    Neonanodes -- possibly neo-nano-des = new small beak (des seems to relate to teeth or beak), or neon-a-nodes = new without "nodes" i.e. similar to a known species but without a particular characteristic of that species

    Psittacus -- Greek psitte, parrot; Greek pisttacula, a genus of Asian parrots

    Euphema -- possibly eu-phema

    co-incidentally, the latest offerings from csiro publishing include this soon to be released book:

    Australian Bird Names, Ian Fraser and Jeannie Gray, 9780643104693


    hmmmm it may have to grace my bookshelves come my birthday (in june)

    regards david

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    Thanks for that David. Might have to see if I can talk the local library into getting a copy!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by artme View Post
    Thanks for that David. Might have to see if I can talk the local library into getting a copy!!!

    not released yet but in may some time

    ISBN 978 0643 104 693

    regards david

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbygard View Post
    not released yet but in may some time

    ISBN 978 0643 104 693

    regards david

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbygard View Post
    co-incidentally, the latest offerings from csiro publishing include this soon to be released book:

    Australian Bird Names, Ian Fraser and Jeannie Gray, 9780643104693


    hmmmm it may have to grace my bookshelves come my birthday (in june)

    regards david
    regards from Canada

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