Thread: Tool Quizz

Yup not possible, tell me how a lathe could make a lathe bed?
Or cut the drive gear teeth... how about a mill?

Originally Posted by Harry72

Yup not possible, tell me how a lathe could make a lathe bed?
Or cut the drive gear teeth... how about a mill?

I'll beg to differ. I reckon I could turn all the components, from suitable woods, to build a passable bush lathe. A treadly, of course, as I've yet to master the art of turning electrical motor windings. True, it wouldn't last long, nor be very durable, but it would be good enough to make another bush lathe on.

I think the point being made here is that it'd be me turning the new lathe, using the old lathe as a tool... not the lathe reproducing itself.

Hi

Originally Posted by Lignum

Exactly Only self-replicating machines in robotics can. The teachers got it wrong

References to Lathe here are SPECIFICALLY to METAL lathes!

NO, the teacher DID NOT get it wrong THE LATHE IS the ONLY tool that CAN make itself.

IOW you can use a LATHE to MAKE a LATHE

A drill press cannot make a drill press, a Milling m/c cannot make a milling m/c etc, etc.

A METAL LATHE is THE most versatile machine tool there is.

If you have a metal lathe you CAN make ANYTHING else, albeit small perhaps, but you CAN make it. You can use a lathe to make a drill press, you can use a lathe to make a milling m/c - in fact you can of course mill and drill in a lathe etc, etc.

ALL engineers or machinists find out this fact (normally) very early on in their training or apprenticeship. I found out when I was eleven (58 now ) and no, it was not child labour My (technical) schooling in the UK taught fitting and machining from age 11.

While there are CNC milling machines, you will find that MOST CNC machines are either lathes or some derivative such as a "vertical" turning centre, ie a lathe on end

Look at this and tell me that the LATHE is not the MOST versatile machine tool! I could not believe my eyes when I saw this CNC lathe *TURN* hexgons, rounded rectangles and SQUARES on round material - a fantastic machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGq-9NNmr3o

Sure, this is a big step up from the ordinary metal lathe, but it does show the versatility of the lathe.

Originally Posted by MrFixIt

Hi



References to Lathe here are SPECIFICALLY to METAL lathes!

NO, the teacher DID NOT get it wrong THE LATHE IS the ONLY tool that CAN make itself.

IOW you can use a LATHE to MAKE a LATHE

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So what happens AFTER the CNC lathe has milled everything? how is it assembled? by the same lathe?

Self-replicating machines in robotics, which is basicly a more superior machine that you have posted will be able to complete the entire process of reprocucing its self unlike the one you showed, which is great, but just makes components

Hi

Originally Posted by Harry72

Yup not possible, tell me how a lathe could make a lathe bed?
Or cut the drive gear teeth... how about a mill?

YUP POSSIBLE, ALL possible. The lathe CAN do this.

Obviously most lathe beds are not made in the lathe, however there ARE lathe beds that are ROUND, see here...

http://www.lathes.co.uk/drummond/page2.html

Lathes CAN also cut gears. This can be done in several ways, here is one example, shown cutting a worm gear.

http://www.bedair.org/Worm/Worm.html

If you try to use the casting issue in defence of making a milling m/c, DON'T FORGET you STILL need the lathe to turn the shaft for the milling m/c and to bore such things as the bearing holders etc.

The lathe REALLY is the most versatile machine - see my other post for more info

You can't make a TS with a TS, but you CAN MAKE a TS if you have a lathe. Think about it, if you own a METAL lathe, you can (within reason) make anything else you need. Drum sander, planer, jointer, TS, jig saw, mitre saw etc, etc. You may not necessarily WANT to make these tools, but with a LATHE you could! You CANNOT use any of the other tools to make a lathe or any one of the other items I mentioned, but a LATHE CAN MAKE A LATHE

Originally Posted by Lignum

So what happens AFTER the CNC lathe has milled everything? how is it assembled? by the same lathe?

We're not talking about the ability to also assemble itself, but the fact that a lathe is the only tool able to reproduce its parts, or parts that can be used to assemble, ie MAKE a lathe. NO OTHER machine type can make its own parts that can be used to assemble another of its own type.

Self-replicating machines in robotics, which is basicly a more superior machine that you have posted will be able to complete the entire process of reprocucing its self unlike the one you showed, which is great, but just makes components

Yes, the point was being able to make it's OWN components.

Originally Posted by MrFixIt

Yes, the point was being able to make it's OWN components.

I thought the question was " What is the only tool that can reproduce itself?" not What is the only tool that can reproduce its own parts

And the motor to drive the lathe? the wiring to power it, dose it also make that

Originally Posted by MrFixIt

NO OTHER machine type can make its own parts that can be used to assemble another of its own type.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_machine

Have a greeny, Toni.

I haven't seen anyone open such an enjoyable can of worms that doesn't involve politics, religion or sharpening in a looooong time.

Yep Skew, Toni does need a greeny for the provocative start!

Originally Posted by MrFixIt

Hi

YUP POSSIBLE, ALL possible. The lathe CAN do this.

Obviously most lathe beds are not made in the lathe, however there ARE lathe beds that are ROUND, see here...

http://www.lathes.co.uk/drummond/page2.html

Lathes CAN also cut gears. This can be done in several ways, here is one example, shown cutting a worm gear.

http://www.bedair.org/Worm/Worm.html

If you try to use the casting issue in defence of making a milling m/c, DON'T FORGET you STILL need the lathe to turn the shaft for the milling m/c and to bore such things as the bearing holders etc.

The lathe REALLY is the most versatile machine - see my other post for more info

You can't make a TS with a TS, but you CAN MAKE a TS if you have a lathe. Think about it, if you own a METAL lathe, you can (within reason) make anything else you need. Drum sander, planer, jointer, TS, jig saw, mitre saw etc, etc. You may not necessarily WANT to make these tools, but with a LATHE you could! You CANNOT use any of the other tools to make a lathe or any one of the other items I mentioned, but a LATHE CAN MAKE A LATHE

What about the dovetail slides... or keyways
They can cut worm gears didnt know that, what about normal teethed gears(helical is that the name?)is that possible?
I beg to differ on the mill, they can bore and do shaft work.

I reckon the first paragraph on that wiki page Lig posted sums it up fully,

"A self-replicating machine would need to have the capacity to gather energy and raw materials, process the raw materials into finished components, and then assemble them into a copy of itself. It is unlikely that this would all be contained within a single monolithic structure, but would rather be a group of cooperating machines or an automated factory that is capable of manufacturing all of the machines that make it up."


He he lets have a little quiz, to post you must include a machine to continue the process of making the machine!
I'll start so we'd need a
1. Core sample machine/rig(must find the materials 1st)

I still like 'Fire' the best.

This is a pic i like.

Machine 1 builds machine 2, then passes the components to machine 2 to build machine 3, then machine......................... Just goes on and on.

It is a router table. You use your router table to make another router table.

Or is it a router? Me started with 1 router and now me have 5.

Or clamps, they are still breeding. You put 2 clamps together and ...

Or router bits, bandsaw blades, ...

Originally Posted by Wongo

...Or clamps, they are still breeding. You put 2 clamps together and ... ....

Coathangers do that too.

Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers

Coathangers do that too.

You can prevent this by twisting any paperclips you find lying around. They are the larval stage of the coathanger.