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28th April 2006, 12:07 PM #31Woodworker
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Thanks Carpenter for the link online to the Domino. I'll have a look now. Regards.
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28th April 2006, 05:31 PM #32Senior Member
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Hi Patr,
I am relieved that no harm was done to your favorite beverage.
Thanks for yr comments which indeed shed a light as to why i only measured 22.5mm when set at 25mm. However you do not come with an answer for when i use the 2 other methods: manual scale and letting the top plate resting on the material to get the exact thickness.
When using these 2 methods do you get a centered mortise?
The guy from Festool had brought his demo machine and was unable to get a centered mortise.
Regards,
riri
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28th April 2006, 06:14 PM #33
Hi Riri
Yes it does. Either by manual (side scale) selection of height or using the height preselect method. If you set a height and lock the top resting plate I cannot see how it would not centre unless you have a badly moulded preselect stop, (it is plastic), or a mal-positioned reading scale which can be adjusted.
I have measured all the heights to the centre of the cutting bit and they are all exact.
May I suggest that you measure your MDF exactly and then measure half that measurement from the cutting bit centre to the top of the resting plate and lock it. If there is no vertical movement in your cutting bit, and the tightness of fit of any hole you have cut would show that, then I cannot understand how the cut would not be central.
However, stranger things have happened and I do not profess to be an expert. After all I am a retired soldier and used to the " big map small hands" mentality of the military mind!
Perhaps other Domino owners or Festool dealers could shed some light on this but I have to admit to being rather puzzled. Please keep us all informed and should there be a fault then having shelled out a fair amount of money I would expect Herr Festool to release a statement from Schloss Festool on the dreadful punishment given to the R and D team.
If they need any assistance on that then I could help advise on the Shot at Dawn regulations!
Kind regards
Pat
Simou! Put that nice Festool R and D man down. He was only following orders. Oh and bring me another Malt and a Westvleteren Blond
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28th April 2006, 06:22 PM #34Senior Member
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Hi Patr,
Just to confirm that when using manual scale or letting the top plate rest, i do not get a centered mortise. I have my (faithful :confused: ) Domino by my side and i have just retried without success. Mystery!
Regards,
riri
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28th April 2006, 10:19 PM #35
Hi Riri
Got Verd mer!
You must return your Domino to the Festool Krankenhaus for eine schnellmachencentregefixen operation. Herr Doktor Festool and his team of experts will be waiting, files at the ready to retore your beast to its former glory. Or they just might replace it! Here is a piece I did this morning using the largest cutter at all the preselect heights. All are dead centre so you must have a really sick machine or I must have the only accurate one! Where are our Festool dealers in Oz? Anthony have you tested your stock? We Europeans would like to know! Kind regards
Pat
Simou! Careful, you will cut your mouth on those Fosters ringpulls.
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28th April 2006, 10:59 PM #36Senior Member
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Hi Patr,
Thanks for this lovely photograph. It is indeed clear that yours is perfect. But Patr i am going back to my question: when you are using the manual scale, do you get the same accuracy?
I agree with you. It would be nice to get some dealers'views on this.
By the way i spent one very nice year at UWIST university a long time ago.
Regards,
riri
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28th April 2006, 11:51 PM #37
Hi Riri
Glad you had a lovely time at UWIST!
Yes on the manual scale as well. The scale is dead accurate. May I suggest that you loosen the scale, it has two star screws, lock your top plate at 10mm from the top resting plate to the centre of the cutting bit and adjust your scale marker point to 10mm. Once adjusted, cut and measure and then trial some other height cuuts. I am baffled as to why your machine is not cutting at the correct depth.
Regards
Pat
Simou! Just a small one dear boy and one for yourself.
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29th April 2006, 01:16 AM #38Senior Member
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Sorry Patr, but i do not quite follow what you are suggesting ( i should have maybe stayed more than one year at UWIST ). Are you suggesting that i measure 10mm from the center of the bit to the top plate and then adjust the reading scale? If that is the case how do you accurately measure the center of the bit?
riri
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29th April 2006, 04:21 AM #39
Hi Riri
This is becoming a bit like the Patr and Riri show! A riveting tale of an Irishman living in Wales and a Belgian educated in Wales corresponding on an Australian Wood Workers site trying to figure out how to get a German tool working! You couldn't make it up!
Yes to your question. You can identify the centre of the cutting bit. I used the 10mm cutter and measured the centre of the cutter to the top of the resting plate using a steel ruler and a digital measuring caliper gauge. If you cannot see or get the exact centre then measure from the furthest edge of the cutter (you need to revolve the bit to get its largest side profile) and deduct half of the diameter (5mm) from your measurement.
Once you have your measurement, move the resting plate to the top of the steel ruler and lock your resting plate. Adjust the side scale to the height and you should have an exact scale reading for the height.
Hope this is of help but we should perhaps resort to PMs rather than bore the whole of the Southern Hemisphere! Deafening silence from the Australian Festool Dealers who wanted experience of the Domino or is there a fundamental fault with Domino which they would rather not discuss on this forum?
I have spoken to two other Domino owners who have not experienced Riri's problems so I suspect that he has a Freitag machine or as we say in Wales " a right duffer!"
Regards
Pat
Simou!! Pronto I am in need of light refreshment as my brain is beginning to hurt. No ice.
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29th April 2006, 10:10 AM #40
Don't Resort To PM's
Originally Posted by patr
Please don't resort to PM's as I am finding the exchange between you both extremely entertaining .
Kev M
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29th April 2006, 10:12 AM #41.
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Originally Posted by patr
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29th April 2006, 11:03 AM #42
Hi Pat,
I will put one through a similar test to yours later today, and post the results.
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29th April 2006, 05:38 PM #43
What ho Lignum! Whats Fosters? You and me too chum but here goes.
I asked the Chief of Staff to shop for some pure mineral water the other day and the poor old thing bought 4 tins of a beverage known as Fosters. She said that the shop assistant said, " Water Madam? We are right out of Perrier but I overheard another customer saying that "Fosters was like making love on a flat bottomed boat, its like f g near water ", so perhaps this will do? Poor muddled dear bought it and after pouring it away down the sink I let me trusty dog Simou play with the tins but the ring pulls are a tad sharp even for a Rotty.
Anthony
Thank you. I will be very interested in the results as I am hoping that Riri does indeed have a Freitag machine or a maladjusted side scale.
KevM
The Pat and Riri Show!
Thats all Folks!!!!!!
I am just going to take the Chief of Staff a cup of tea and a slice of toast as I need her to stay in bed whilst the Man from DHL delivers my Symetric saw. Thank God it doesnt come in a Systainer as one that size would definately not get through her (very sensitive) Festool detection system.
Cheerio one and all from Darkest Wales
Pat
Simou!! Now drink this dear boy, its just a small one to stop you barking at that nice DHL man. We do not want to wake up Mummy.
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29th April 2006, 05:51 PM #44
Pat,
Today is just about over and I have not done the Domino centre setting test yet. I will do the test tomorrow and show the pics to the forum.
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30th April 2006, 01:35 AM #45Senior Member
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Hello Patr ( and the others ),
I've spent all the afternoon in the basement with...my domino. Incidentally, before fidling with the scale i had a word with Festool Belgium and they told me not to touch it before they had received an answer from R&D in Germany.
But i did exactly what you did the other day using the manual scale.
Here are my results:
For a depth of 14mm ( scale set at 7mm ) center is off by 2mm
For a depth of 20mm ( scale at 10mm ) it is right on center!
For a depth of 30mm (scale at 15mm ) it is off by 3mm
For a depth of 40mm ( scale at 20mm ) it os off by 3mm.
There it is. The curious thing is that the only good measurement is with 20mm depth which is twice the distance between the bottom plate and the center of the bit.
Have a nice we
riri
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