Thread: M&T joints or Domino?

Oi, Waldo,

1. Take a dekko at this, especially starting page 16

http://www.festoolusa.com/Web_files/...no_Machine.pdf

2. There are competing products, but can make your own, as Lignum does all the time.

3. See 1 above.

HTH

You just cant beat the Domino in speed when cutting dominos. Its as easy as using a biscuiter, with the accuracy of dowels. When I first considered the Domino, price was a huge factor. I now had one for about a year and have never looked back. I dont know if I could live with out it, its just such and extraordinary machine.
Two domis have a greater glueing surface area than one M&T joint so its as strong if not stronger.
And as Bob said above, you can make your own. I have made my own when I ran out and the shop was closed for xmas holidays. Just that it took time to make. Was alot more convenient to just buy a box and spend my precious time actually working on the project.

G'day Honorary Bloke,

for that PDF link, I've had a quick squiz through it and it's sounding better and better all the time. I've got lots of frame and panels to construct in the near future and reading the PDF can see how that alone with be so much faster and precise.

LGS has offered a lesson in the pros and cons of Domino which I'll take him up on.

Thanks too KorDes for your post.

Waldo, if you want to make frame & panel, what's wrong with using a rail & style router bit set on your fancy new router table? Be a lot cheaper than a Festool Domino and probably as fast if not faster.

Probably not as much fun buying a rail & style router bit set as buying a Festool Domino though.............

G'day Big Shed,

I'm also using rail and stile r/bits and also want the added strength that a m&t also gives. So I'm doing both. Besides the client is paying.

Originally Posted by Waldo

G'day,

I'm seriously considering a Domino, but I have some questions first for something that costs a bomb and then some.

1. For example with a frame and panel, whereas a typical m&t joint is the strongest method, will a double loose tenon/biscuit (whichever you call them in Festool Land) give equal or greater strength against a m&t?

2. Looking through the prices of consumables e.g http://www.festool.com.au/mediandowe...AKTIV=1&#anker
The biscuits in whatever quantity in my view are pretty pricey. Is there a competitive product to the same size specs etc. of the Festool biscuits that is cheaper?

3. Is there somewhere that I can find where you use which biscuit size in application with regards to timber thickness?

im from the festool country ;-) and im defintly a big Festool Fan BUT....

The Domino machine is the only Festool that dont work probably. The Drill inside works max. for 2-3 hours after this time you have to shape this. Sometimes the will be broken and you have to biy an new expensive one!

For this Kind of work, better buy

Biscuit Jointer LNF 20 in the MAFELL-MAX
http://www.mafell.de/produktkatalog/...nguage=English

or when you dont need Biscuits then take the Dowel machine

916010 Duo-Dowel System DD40P PowerMAX in MAFELL-MAX
http://www.mafell.de/produktkatalog/...nguage=English

The other problem with the Festool is that the Biscuits are much more expensive then Bisuits or Dowel.

you can save a lot of money take this money and take your Girl for a nice Dinner ;-))

;740211]im from the festool country ;-) and im defintly a big Festool Fan BUT....

The Domino machine is the only Festool that dont work probably. The Drill inside works max. for 2-3 hours after this time you have to shape this. Sometimes the will be broken and you have to biy an new expensive one!

For this Kind of work, better buy

Biscuit Jointer LNF 20 in the MAFELL-MAX
http://www.mafell.de/produktkatalog/...nguage=English

or when you dont need Biscuits then take the Dowel machine

916010 Duo-Dowel System DD40P PowerMAX in MAFELL-MAX
http://www.mafell.de/produktkatalog/...nguage=English

The other problem with the Festool is that the Biscuits are much more expensive then Bisuits or Dowel.

you can save a lot of money take this money and take your Girl for a nice Dinner ;-))

what?, where are you from again? ---- outer space?

Originally Posted by guuuude

im from the festool country ;-) and im defintly a big Festool Fan BUT....

The Domino machine is the only Festool that dont work probably. The Drill inside works max. for 2-3 hours after this time you have to shape this. Sometimes the will be broken and you have to biy an new expensive one!

For this Kind of work, better buy

Biscuit Jointer LNF 20 in the MAFELL-MAX
http://www.mafell.de/produktkatalog/...nguage=English

or when you dont need Biscuits then take the Dowel machine

916010 Duo-Dowel System DD40P PowerMAX in MAFELL-MAX
http://www.mafell.de/produktkatalog/...nguage=English

The other problem with the Festool is that the Biscuits are much more expensive then Bisuits or Dowel.

you can save a lot of money take this money and take your Girl for a nice Dinner ;-))

Yeah, What planet are you on???? (Now I'm really holding back)
Les

Nah,
I reckon he's a ringer from Mafell.
Les

Originally Posted by plino

The Domino machine is the only Festool that dont work probably. The Drill inside works max. for 2-3 hours after this time you have to shape this. Sometimes the will be broken and you have to biy an new expensive one!

Any evidence of this? Is this a categorical fault in these machines we should be aware of or just one monday case (that Festool did or did not take care via warranty?). They have a 3 year warranty for the tool, so it can't be that crap -> they would be fixing those all the time otherwise and I have not heard/seen any such reports?

By the way, you can make Dominos yourself (it's just a 5, 6, 8 or 10 mm thick block of wood with rounded edges in 2 sides), you can even make it in different widths (for example one guy makes the "extra sloppy" sized tenons for more strenght in doors).

Also, there is a company at least in US that also makes these tenons you can buy (from multiple species of wood).

Originally Posted by jakiiski

Any evidence of this? Is this a categorical fault in these machines we should be aware of or just one monday case (that Festool did or did not take care via warranty?). They have a 3 year warranty for the tool, so it can't be that crap -> they would be fixing those all the time otherwise and I have not heard/seen any such reports?

No evidence that I am aware of, nor have I seen or heard of people needing to resharpen their bits all the time, or that they are prone to breakages.

I would strongly contest guuuude's remark based on my own and my customers experiences. Also, if you go back through this forum and look at the Domino discussions I expect you will not find nothing to support guuuude's view that the Domino does not work properly. This does not mean that guuuude's case is not a one off, but he should talk with his Festool dealer and sort it out.

Edit - Initial post had Plino's name where guuuude should have been. Apologies Plino, saw your 'outta-space' response and put your name in by mistake.

Haha in Plino's defense he only copied what Guuuuude wrote and replied in the green writing. I guess he hasn't figured out how to use the "quote" button yet.

Originally Posted by KorDes

Haha in Plino's defense he only copied what Guuuuude wrote and replied in the green writing. I guess he hasn't figured out how to use the "quote" button yet.

Hi kordes.

My stuff up really. I knew it wasn't Plino that said it, but in my shock and subsequent dizziness at guuuude's comments I got all crazy and inserted Plino's name by mistake. Again, sorry Plino. I thought you summed it up with the "outer space" response and we had moved on.

But again I make the comment, if guuuuuge's having issues he should discuss it with his Festool dealer and hopefully come to a satisfactory outcome.