Thread: What's a Kapex?

Originally Posted by boban

As good as my Domino is, it works on the very same principle as my biscuit joiner. You might argue the point but it is no more accurate in the way it cuts. .

You trying to tell us your Domino works on the very same principle as your biscuit joiner and is no more accurate Why dont you send it back then and get your refund if thats the case. You carpenters crack me up

Originally Posted by boban

I guess when my cut is exactly 45 degrees the Festool will be better? Just explain how that is going to happen..

Sorry, but a SCMS that cutts a perfect 45 is rare as an arrest free night at the soccer

Originally Posted by boban

If you want an incredible level of speed, accuracy and user 'friendlyness' then might I suggest spending $15,000+ on a panel saw. After all, expense is not an issue. Why bugger about with an inadequate tool like the TS75 in a workshop. On site is a different issue. .

That is surley the "Silly comment of Feburary" So i will gladly hand back the TS75 and go see my bank manager and get a loan for a 15 thou saw... what a stupid thing to say.

And tel me, what dose "inadequate tool like the TS75 in a workshop" mean

Originally Posted by boban

Kapex is simply a re-invention of the wheel.

Yep, just like going from the old steel hubs and cheap tyres to the latest alloys and super duper Pirellis.

Festool - another tool, another few gig of memory space devoted to arguing over the pro's and con's.... without anyone actually owning the new tool.

Good value at 1/2 the price!

I look forward to this one on SMC!

Originally Posted by Clinton1

Festool - another tool, another few gig of memory space devoted to arguing over the pro's and con's.... without anyone actually owning the new tool.

Good value at 1/2 the price!

Does anyone know what will be the price when it is released here? Me thinks not.

My initial response would be to suggest a block plane. Beside that, To require a 1/4 of a degree cut in a cabinet would suggest a correction required and an inaccurate cut to begin with.

You need to maintain any machine, the Festool included. My machine is cleaned and operates as required. All the adjustments are there so that it can cut perfectly.

I got the impression that you do fixing carpentry. Do you honestly expect me to believe that you need to cut 1/4 of a degree for such work or even that a block plane is not the appropriate tool for minor adjustments?

When it comes to fix outs, I doubt that there are many more people who are more particular about the finish than I am. I cant imagine that the Festool will make that job any easier.

All this Festool hype is just that. Good tools, marketed very well.

Originally Posted by Clinton1

Festool - another tool, another few gig of memory space devoted to arguing over the pro's and con's.... without anyone actually owning the new tool.

Go back 8 or 9 months and it was the same regarding the Domino. Now look at it. The Domino is slowly changing the way so many workshops opperate and is the pride and joy of all (non carpenters ) who own it and the envy of somany who crave one.

The Kapex wont have that same effect because its as boban kindly refers its "reinventing the wheel" but their are stacks of furniture makers both pro and amature who arnt as rich as our carpenter cousins and can afford a 15 thousand $ saw and who would love the accuracy and precision of a saw that a standard scms WONT deliver.

Hi,

Correction: tools are very good and marketing superior.

be fair - Great tools, marketed very well.

detractors........if this doesn't get you onto Festool, then nothing will.

Amy is a legend(read:eye candy, sorry Lig, shes married ) and actually knows what shes doing. Even cuts up an 8 x 4 on the TS by herself.

Keep an eye out in her workshop for the mountains of systainers against the wall.

Amy Devers does Freeform. Enjoy.

Originally Posted by boban

My initial response would be to suggest a block plane. Beside that, To require a 1/4 of a degree cut in a cabinet would suggest a correction required and an inaccurate cut to begin with.

You need to maintain any machine, the Festool included. My machine is cleaned and operates as required. All the adjustments are there so that it can cut perfectly.

I got the impression that you do fixing carpentry. Do you honestly expect me to believe that you need to cut 1/4 of a degree for such work or even that a block plane is not the appropriate tool for minor adjustments?

When it comes to fix outs, I doubt that there are many more people who are more particular about the finish than I am. I cant imagine that the Festool will make that job any easier.

All this Festool hype is just that. Good tools, marketed very well.

1/4 Deg adds up on a 250mm skirting butting into a door arch. One of the reasons I chose the DeWalt over the Makita was its "off index" locking & adjustment solution. Pretty well done, shame about the lack of soft start on the 1600w motor with the 300mm blade hanging off it.......buggered up there.

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You trying to tell us your Domino works on the very same principle as your biscuit joiner and is no more accurate :? Why dont you send it back then and get your refund if thats the case. You carpenters crack me up :)

What gives you the idea that I am a carpenter? Perhaps you think you are the only one that can classified as a cabinetmaker here because you love Festool.

You are kidding aren't you. Once the fence is set, the biscuit joiner cuts at a consistent depth just like the domino. The Domino works the same but use a different cutter and tenon. That's the difference. You want to prove otherwise, then go for it. I'm using both and see no difference in the accuracy of the cuts or the methods for that matter.

Remember, I'm talking about accuracy of the machine here.

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 Sorry, but a SCMS that cutts a perfect 45 is rare as an arrest free night at the soccer:wink:

Must be common then, not one arrest in the A-League this season. Can the same be said for your beloved sports?

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 That is surley the "Silly comment of Feburary" So i will gladly hand back the TS75 and go see my bank manager and get a loan for a 15 thou saw... what a stupid thing to say.

Yet you think nothing of spending 3 grand on a SCMS on a credit card. You are the one talking about efficiency and tools paying for themselves. The panel saw will do everything the TS75 does and more in the workshop.

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 And tel me, what dose "inadequate tool like the TS75 in a workshop" mean:?

The TS75 is IMHO a great on site saw where a panel saw is clearly an implausible option. In a workshop however,it falls well short of a panel saw in so many ways. Speed (which equals money remember) is top of the list.

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 Yep, just like going from the old steel hubs and cheap tyres to the latest alloys and super duper Pirellis.

More like Continentals, Michelins, Dunlops and Goodyears

The proof that you have Festool fever is obvious. You haven't even used the tool and yet you are willing to proclaim its undoubted superiority over allcomers.

I doubt that you have used more Festool products than I have (despite me being a lowly carpenter and all). They are good tools but not as infallible as you would have everyone believe.

Originally Posted by boban

I guess when my cut is exactly 45 degrees the Festool will be better? Just explain how that is going to happen.

Can you be 100% possitive your Makita will cut a perfect 22.5 and not 22.53 for a perfect fitting frame on a large octagonal table? I have never used the Kapex but will bet my Domino it will deliver that accuracy

Originally Posted by Lignum

Can you be 100% possitive your Makita will cut a perfect 22.5 and not 22.53 for a perfect fitting frame on a large octagonal table? I have never used the Kapex but will bet my Domino it will deliver that accuracy

For Pete's sake Lig, you are talking about working with wood aren't you?

Even if it was cut perfectly, I doubt that in a few days that it will not have moved.

Your Domino has one major fault. The human who holds it. That's where you will get your variances. I'll be the first to admit that I am not infallible and cannot commit to a perfect execution of all cuts. But I'll get it damn close.

One thing you will notice with all high end machines is the ability to adjust it's settings. Those panel saws need to be maintained and adjusted to be accurate. Even with the best tools, the major flaw is invariably the operator. Can't see how your Festool Kapex is going to alleviate that problem.

You get so excited, its almost like you are pitching for free Festool products

Originally Posted by boban

What gives you the idea that I am a carpenter? Perhaps you think you are the only one that can classified as a cabinetmaker here because you love Festool.

A few posts back you described yourself into finish carpentry... Maybe you should have explained it clearer.

And when have i ever said im the only one classified as a cabinetmaker here??? I would love to see the quote

Originally Posted by boban

You are kidding aren't you. Once the fence is set, the biscuit joiner cuts at a consistent depth just like the domino. The Domino works the same but use a different cutter and tenon. That's the difference. You want to prove otherwise, then go for it. I'm using both and see no difference in the accuracy of the cuts or the methods for that matter.

Well we obviously use them in an entirly different mannor on different types and styles of product. Chalk and cheese in what i do. Biscuit joiner very limited in what it can do and the accuracy bit is beond compare. Again its probbably the different work we both do.

And if they are so similar for you, why did you get one then? and why not sell it back or put it on ebay and get your money back.

Originally Posted by boban

Yet you think nothing of spending 3 grand on a SCMS on a credit card. You are the one talking about efficiency and tools paying for themselves. The panel saw will do everything the TS75 does and more in the workshop.

Look back at the post carefully. I said it was my opinion it will sell for $1500 for the base model NOT $3000

Originally Posted by boban

The TS75 is IMHO a great on site saw where a panel saw is clearly an implausible option. In a workshop however,it falls well short of a panel saw in so many ways. Speed (which equals money remember) is top of the list.

Again why would i want a panel saw? Apart from a minimun of 4grand secondhand and a huge footprint that i dont have The Jet + TS75 will do everything and more than a panell saw. Throw into that the Kapex and a panel saw would be a waste of money and space. You forget i make solid furniture NOT melamine or veneered sheet goods.

Originally Posted by boban

The proof that you have Festool fever is obvious. You haven't even used the tool and yet you are willing to proclaim its undoubted superiority over allcomers.

Is their anything wrong with having Festool fever? You dont seem to because your few posts in the Festool thread are generaly negative. I dont see why you even bother viewing little own replying

Originally Posted by boban

I doubt that you have used more Festool products than I have

That is very debatable. Actualy i doubt it.