Thread: Age groups of people interested in metal working

Hi Grahame,

I fully agree with your reasoning, understand your view point on this subject.

However, I will point out that YouTube is more akin to a static web page environment than the primarily e-mail based Facebook social media system.

The bulk of web users don't realise that 90% of all non commercial blogging/web pages that comprise the bulk of information on the internet will one day disappear.

This is already happening. Web page creation is now being equaled by web page loss as bloggers die and their sites are shut down because they're no longer around to pay the bills.

So all that free information is going to be lost. Some of it can be replaced by new bloggers, but a lot can't - stuff like WW2 stories from veteran blogs is a classic case.

Gone forever.

There is a move to archive snap shots of the WWW, but how you then access the information is the problem.

How does this relate to YouTube? The reason I, and I suspect many bloggers are moving to YouTube is that the information is basically there forever - the life of the service.

So even if I snuff out it makes no difference. You will always be able to access that information.

I've been blogging for a very long time, and now I basically only add new content to YouTube. It's also a LOT less work than making static HTML web pages.

So YouTube is important. Very important.

Something to think about.

What makes the WWW great are it's contributors. They recieve very little, if any reward for their efforts, are totally open to criticism, but are willing to put time and effort into providing everything you see on the web.

Any revenue they may actually get from advertising is small beans compared to what they do.

Rob

Originally Posted by Master Splinter

AdBlockPro for Firefox = no ads
(I don't know how anyone could use the web without it!)

Plus 1 for me!

Dean

Originally Posted by nearnexus

Hi Grahame,

I fully agree with your reasoning, understand your view point on this subject.

However, I will point out that YouTube is more akin to a static web page environment than the primarily e-mail based Facebook social media system.

The bulk of web users don't realise that 90% of all non commercial blogging/web pages that comprise the bulk of information on the internet will one day disappear.

This is already happening. Web page creation is now being equaled by web page loss as bloggers die and their sites are shut down because they're no longer around to pay the bills.

So all that free information is going to be lost. Some of it can be replaced by new bloggers, but a lot can't - stuff like WW2 stories from veteran blogs is a classic case.

Gone forever.

There is a move to archive snap shots of the WWW, but how you then access the information is the problem.

How does this relate to YouTube? The reason I, and I suspect many bloggers are moving to YouTube is that the information is basically there forever - the life of the service.

So even if I snuff out it makes no difference. You will always be able to access that information.

I've been blogging for a very long time, and now I basically only add new content to YouTube. It's also a LOT less work than making static HTML web pages.

So YouTube is important. Very important.

Something to think about.

What makes the WWW great are it's contributors. They recieve very little, if any reward for their efforts, are totally open to criticism, but are willing to put time and effort into providing everything you see on the web.

Any revenue they may actually get from advertising is small beans compared to what they do.

Rob

Some very good points here Rob. (It is Rob isn't it? LOL) I don't generally have anything to do with Blogs as you may have realised when I had to ask for a link to yours. Seems to me a lot of people (millions) dribbling sh#$ and a few bits of good info among them. I read an article about including your web content in your will, so it is not lost, like the woman who lost $15K worth of gold in a robbery after selling stuff from games HaHa.

I am not sure why bloggers would not realise that if they die their blog will be lost eventually. Human nature? As you have suggested there are some blogs out there that should be saved for prosperity.

I like YouTube videos but as I have said I select videos, exit then download so I am only on there for a short time. This is not intended to represent a reduced exposure to risk by the way, just my methods.

Dean

Originally Posted by A Duke

OK all you paranoia types, what disasters should befall me when I view a Face Book video posted on this site?
I have always wondered as I avoid social networking as well, Invitations getting reclassified as spam & reported.
Regards

I don't understand about the invitations. If you don't use these sites where do the invites come from?

The biggest problem I have had with Facebook is not from using it as I don't. It is from our personal details being posted there in a situation that we have no control over.

SWMBO had a serious car accident some years ago. She had total strangers going up to her in the street and asking her how she was. What the? They had heard about it on her daughters facebook page. We had some very serious words with her and made her realise that she had no right to abuse our privacy in that way. What if she told everyone that we were going away for a week. Invitation for a house raiding party! I changed my location on the forum because I realised that it was dead easy to locate my property with the town name. Everyone knows me. Just ask. I feel uncomfortable just writing this.

Facebook is for narcissistic people. SBS's Insight Program decided this so I was told. This does not mean every user is but look at the depth of involvement! A lot of people using facebook disregard the privacy issues for themselves and others. Facebook has a built in contacts app so you can save all yours there. If someone downloads the app development kit (just downloads) they are given access to all contacts lists that are not classed as private by users. As most people would know facebook uses an optout system whereby all these privacy destroying features of theirs actually have to be disabled by the user.

Disclaimer. I am not up to date with everything with facebook so some of this info may no longer be correct.

Another issue I have had is with emails from supposed friends and family. I have lost count of the number of times I have had to request people to take me out of their email contacts group for sending ##### loads of totally useless and band hogging alleged humour. I finally did a search and found a website on net etiquette that explained it real good and listed the risks. Haven't had any more since then. I didn't have to use it. I suspect that everyone who had those tendencies had shifted to facebook.

Spam is a problem that does not cause me much concern at all now. A lot of this is due to being careful with my email address. Was different once.

I have finished for now.

Dean

If your worried about Facebook, use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...ing-protector/ I do and it seems to work well.

Originally Posted by Auskart

If your worried about Facebook, use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...ing-protector/ I do and it seems to work well.

I for one am not in the least concerned. I have never had any desire to use facebook. Cannot see any point.

Dean

[QUOTE=Oldneweng;1686203]I don't understand about the invitations. If you don't use these sites where do the invites come from?

Suposidly (it says on the invite) from friends and aquantanances inviting me to join their network on Linkedin, Face book, etc, etc, and then reminded by said networks that I have not done so. I suspect some of them have had their adress books mined.
Regards

[QUOTE=A Duke;1686307]

Originally Posted by Oldneweng

I don't understand about the invitations. If you don't use these sites where do the invites come from?

Suposidly (it says on the invite) from friends and aquantanances inviting me to join their network on Linkedin, Face book, etc, etc, and then reminded by said networks that I have not done so. I suspect some of them have had their adress books mined.
Regards

Ok. Never had one of them invites, thank goodness. Every time I see "Join us on facebook" I laugh and say why the F$@# would I want to. I do not understand what the attraction is for all the people who do. Maybe they need to get a life! LOL

Dean

I also use an add on with Firefox called DoNotTrackMe, it blocks 3 tracking cookies from Woodwork Forums, they are from Google Analytics, Google Adsense and one called skimLinks.

Originally Posted by Auskart

I also use an add on with Firefox called DoNotTrackMe, it blocks 3 tracking cookies from Woodwork Forums, they are from Google Analytics, Google Adsense and one called skimLinks.

skimLinks can be disabled at the bottom of your setting page. Then like mine your DNTM will only have to catch two.
Regards

I like the anti-establishment sentiments here!
I thought i was the only one left not living my life through Bookface

At 28 i must be one of the younger ones here, i don't watch tv at all, i usually youtube a machining video or similar while i sit down for dinner then back out on the tools! I'd much rather spend my time making things than being hypnotized by the brainwashing box.

Originally Posted by andrew_mx83

I like the anti-establishment sentiments here!
I thought i was the only one left not living my life through Bookface

At 28 i must be one of the younger ones here, i don't watch tv at all, i usually youtube a machining video or similar while i sit down for dinner then back out on the tools! I'd much rather spend my time making things than being hypnotized by the brainwashing box.

Yes I find it a bit sad that people have to rely on facebook to get a life.

It seems everyone is seeking to attain the same plastic dream in the world these days.

I'm quite happy driving a bomb, and having an analogue TV, even though I could easily afford new.

You've only got to visit a garage sale these days and see how few people have hands on experience at stuff like metal work these days. Tools ? No tools here mate. Got plastic though.

Rob

Originally Posted by nearnexus

You've only got to visit a garage sale these days and see how few people have hands on experience at stuff like metal work these days. Tools ? No tools here mate. Got plastic though.

Rob

The garage sales that I have been to, that advertise "tools", usually have cheap throw away items that the owners think are great.

I am in my early 30s. If I had more allowance when I was young I would have started much earlier. Also, I didn't have a shed for my metal machines until I got a house. I started electronics when I was 10. Electronic tools cost a lot less, and not a lot is required. I remember my Tek oscilloscope was the most expensive purchase. A quality tool holder can easily cost as much as a soldering iron. All the tooling and stuff eat a big chunk of my wage. Luckily heavy 'investment' happens only when starting out, it slows down after you get tooled up, and wiser not purchasing 'toolsets' which I never use. Inheritance is great help when it comes to tools in the shed, I'm an immigrant so my dad's tool will stick to him. I started off with quality tools hopefully I will be able to pass them down. Young generation today spend bulk of the time, welded to the mouse and keyboard. 3D printer is all they know when it comes to manufacturing, fortunately they will soon learn real machining when metal is involved. That's when Youtube wow them with CNC machines.