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  1. #1
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    Thumbs up Auction - Inc Machinery

    Hi,

    For those who live in the southern suburbs of Melbourne, I thought this maybe of interest to you.

    http://www.mjbentauctioneers.com.au/...ong280607.html

    I contacted both Air Liquide & BOC gases last week about buying gas cylinders off other people and they both said it was illegal - you can only hire gas cylinders I was told by both - is that true or false?

    If it is not then are there any other companies one can buy them from?

    Cheers
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    No it is not illegal, the companies want to keep their monopolies, some years ago a mate of mine showed me the income they make from rental I was amazed, it was in the hundreds of thousands. They claim it is a safety issue, well they have no such safety issues in the US.The way things are going the home user will be priced out of the loop in this country.

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    Rubbish. The rental is only $100-120 p.a. There are plenty of other things that I spend way more on each year without even blinking.

    Also, if someone as huge as BOC is only making hundreds of thousands on container rental then they clearly aren't in it for the money. There must be sweet FA actual margin in the rental. Hence their charge must in someway resemble their costs.

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    Going thru the list there, it says it's for the welding equipment, not the actual bottles. The bottles pictured have the Supagas logo on them which means they are owned by Supagas.

    The auctioneers wouldn't know about this, so would be auctioning them off as a complete unit, if I was bidding and won I would leave the bottles behind as they would be useless to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browny View Post
    Rubbish. The rental is only $100-120 p.a. There are plenty of other things that I spend way more on each year without even blinking.
    Per Bottle. Thats $240 per year for oxy-acet, another 120 for argon for a mig...... and so it goes.

    If you bought the auction lot, take the bottles. Use them till they are empty! Your not paying the rent.

    I've "heard" that it is possible to "find" some oxy-acet bottles (the local tip even), hire some new ones, return the found ones and not pay rent!

    Of course BOC/Air Liquide will tell you it's not possible, because that way they'd miss out on their rent.

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    browny, I said some years ago 1991 to be be more specific and this was for or South Australia only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tas_Dean View Post
    ................I've "heard" that it is possible to "find" some oxy-acet bottles (the local tip even), hire some new ones, return the found ones and not pay rent!..................
    Not possible anymore, I'm afraid. BOC have changed the design of the valves on the cylinders. If you bring in a cylinder with the old style valve in return they'll know you're trying to dud them.

    Mick
    "If you need a machine today and don't buy it,

    tomorrow you will have paid for it and not have it."

    - Henry Ford 1938

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tas_Dean View Post
    Per Bottle. Thats $240 per year for oxy-acet, another 120 for argon for a mig...... and so it goes.
    Which is still less than what I pay for internet, or electricity, or phone, or beer, or many many other things.

    Realistically, having a full set of gas bottles on hand for hobby use is purely a luxury. It's not like it is one of lifes neccesities....

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    Quote Originally Posted by China View Post
    browny, I said some years ago 1991 to be be more specific and this was for or South Australia only
    ...and it is still realistically peanuts

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