Thread: This year's awards 2014

Hi,

I'd like to nominate Anorak Bob for his helpfulness and sharing in 2014. He gave me two chucks for my hercus mill last year (could of been late 2013) which I greatly appreciate and use regular basis.

Also Pipeclay, for his advice over the forum and in person.

Cheers Ben.

Originally Posted by RayG

I used to live and work in Port Melbourne in the 70's, and I remember the day the police divers went looking for "Ferret Nelson" in the water at No 13 South Wharf, they sent the divers in and pulled out 4 cars before they found Nelson's car ... One of the other cars had a body in the boot as well.... ( I thought one of the bodies was Nelson, but a bit of googling tells me they never found the body? )

When accused of being a criminal gang the, Painters and Dockers union secretary, exclaimed, "utter nonsense, at least 25% of the membership had never done jail time."

Ray

Back then in the bad old days of the Painters and Dockers,the Victoria Police had a squad called the Consorting Squad.Consorting was deemed to be 2 or more persons with a criminal record were not allowed to meet drink eat or socialise in general with out breaking the law.It was a plumb job for the ''Consorters'' detectives to be paid to hang around pubs and known haunts of the P&D's,watching for these events.''Bang gotcha you 2 blokes are under arrest for consorting.No Mr Plod we was discussing work [an issue brought up previously about ''that four letter word'' on behalf of the wharfies.Numerous arrests were made and charges laid only to be dropped when no evidence was proven.
''we woz jus havin a beer n a chat an we got busted by the coppers for consortin we woz only talkin about work stuff''.Most likely they were dicussing where the next armed hold up would be.eventually Consorting laws were repealed as the P&D''s were walking from charges.Consorters were dissipated into other squads Members of the Gt BookieRobbery were all P's and D's members at 1 stage All deceased now and no one knows what the amount cash stolen totalled. estimates 12 million plus. Cheers and a happy new year to all Forum members.John.

In my field, the bulk of the instruction and learning is confined to how not to make mistakes. Certainly the field is littered with those generous souls who killed themselves and others in an effort to educate their successors.

I have zero direct knowledge of airliner accidents, but have muddled through for 44 years. I have had a few major equipment failures that needed innovation, largely owing to flying junk in a previous life. The rest of my "expertise" comes from reading and understanding the nuances in the accident reports.

I understand that there is a difference between what furballs the internet coughs up and what the school of hard knocks reveals, but not always. Sometimes facts are just incontrovertible and can be passed down wholesale, without attribution. Like "neckties and lathes don't mix" and "tell her that's your old one that you repainted" .

Other times it might be courteous to state that a suggestion is based on what you have read might work, but that you haven't tried it yourself.

Originally Posted by Greg Q

Sometimes facts are just incontrovertible and can be passed down wholesale, without attribution. Like "neckties and lathes don't mix" and "tell her that's your old one that you repainted" .

What is this thing called 'necktie'.....?

PDW

I dont post much these days though I look in a bit.
Wow to see what this metal forum has become is unbelievable. Just 2-7years back it was so different welcoming members helping each other out and just plain mates amongst us all.
Now it seems guys are getting belittled by the others, saying how good the pm forum and milacron rules are to belittle this forum and personally attack other members.
Well done to the few that have brought this great aussie forum down to this level where new guys to this hobby wont want to come here and post.

Dave J

Hey DaveJ, lighten up. This forum has grown considerably over the last 7 years, and no one is seriously trying to take the mickey out of anyone. Constructive comment at worst.

I reckon everyone on this forum has a great sense of humor, well, maybe there's one who hasn't.

Ken

I understand that there is a difference between what furballs the internet coughs up and what the school of hard knocks reveals, but not always. Sometimes facts are just incontrovertible and can be passed down wholesale, without attribution. Like "neckties and lathes don't mix" and "tell her that's your old one that you repainted" .

Other times it might be courteous to state that a suggestion is based on what you have read might work, but that you haven't tried it yourself.

Very well put Greg.

It seems to me that a large part of how much respect one gives to the comments of others is dependant on who that other person is. I have noticed a vast difference in how well different people assimilate facts or knowledge. Plagiarism is usually accurate providing it is not quoted out of context. Accurate to the original meaning, that is. Whether it is actually true is another matter all together.

If I am not familiar with a person I tend to regard what they say as unproven. I try to research such information before accepting it.

I was interested to see the comment recently about YouTube video's not being God"s Truth, so to speak. Not long ago I saw a micrometer measurement made by one of the favourite YouTube metalworking community broadcasters that showed 0.003" below the required measurement. It was quickly changed, but it seemed to me that it was a cover up for an oops. He could have edited it out, but probably did not notice that the measurement was so visible. I don't have a problem with this. It had no bearing on the learning aspect. I just mention it as it illustrates the limits of video from the viewers point of view, or maybe this was an almost honest situation that could easily have been totally covered up.

Dean

I think someone may be trying to prove you correct DaveJ!

Originally Posted by Greg Q

In my field, the bulk of the instruction and learning is confined to how not to make mistakes. Certainly the field is littered with those generous souls who killed themselves and others in an effort to educate their successors.
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Yep.. reminds me of the old saying, if at first you don't succeed, maybe parachuting is not for you..

I'm always impressed at the lengths they go to when investigating air crashes, I used to read the crash comics ( Air Safety Digest, I think it was called ) Always like to read about the "incident reports", which detailed near misses and malfunctions... these days I like to watch "Air Crash Investigation" whenever I happen to stumble across it.

That sort of knowledge is best not obtained through first hand experience.

Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Yep.. reminds me of the old saying, if at first you don't succeed, maybe parachuting is not for you..

I'm always impressed at the lengths they go to when investigating air crashes, I used to read the crash comics ( Air Safety Digest, I think it was called ) Always like to read about the "incident reports", which detailed near misses and malfunctions... these days I like to watch "Air Crash Investigation" whenever I happen to stumble across it.

That sort of knowledge is best not obtained through first hand experience.

Ray

Well said Greg and Ray.In this world today there are 2 things that do not function, your mind and a parachute, both don't work if not open.
In a former life, a role that I had was a Major Collision Invesigator [Vehicles].These were Heavy Commercial GoodsVehicles and Licenced Passenger Vehicles[ Bus and Coach].The major pitch was to etablish a cause, the main priority.Some times these incidents it was very hard in some cases to find the cause.On going evaluations and investigations followed on,most times with a result.There were so many factors to consider.
In relation to Licenced passenger vehicles attention was paid to the fittings inside that may have contributed to death or serious injury.Reccomendations were fowarded and from that modifcations could be done to prevent similar injuries etc.From that we can all see that implementations have enhanced passenger safety
We see after major disasters like our Victorian Black Saturday,implementations to reduce the losses some endured.As humans we learn by our mistakes.
So when we view these documentary programs the aim is to establish a root cause and prevent further repeated devastating events.John.

Originally Posted by RayG

Yep.. reminds me of the old saying, if at first you don't succeed, maybe parachuting is not for you..

I'm always impressed at the lengths they go to when investigating air crashes, I used to read the crash comics ( Air Safety Digest, I think it was called ) Always like to read about the "incident reports", which detailed near misses and malfunctions... these days I like to watch "Air Crash Investigation" whenever I happen to stumble across it.

That sort of knowledge is best not obtained through first hand experience.

Ray

I don't normally watch ACI but I do see often up coming snippets and it amazes me that camera's are rolling long before the instance they just seem to be in the right place at the right time, shame these camera crew then just pack up head home leaving the scene of an accident to search and rescue teams or stay to film that also.

Like these Highway Patrol series I wonder how much the Police and states make for in revenue from the allowing it to be filmed after all I wonder should the people they are filming be paid also