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Thread: Chuck Stops for Hercus 260 Lathe
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4th July 2012, 07:44 PM #1GOLD MEMBER
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Chuck Stops for Hercus 260 Lathe
Hello Lathe people.
Well its taken a little while to come up with a simple design for a chuck stop primarily aimed at providing an accurate back stop for holding short or thin pieces in the lathe chuck.The stops can also be used for repetative workpiece settings
Following various communications with "Localale" Micheal & "Anorak Bob"BT regarding a design, The following photos outline what I have made.
I required 2 stops one for a 6" dia 3 jaw.
And another for a smaller 4" dia 3 jaw.
The first uses a 4 morse taper bung machined to accept a 3C collet that protrudes a little into the back of the 6" chuck & is tightened by the draw bar collet closer through the headstock spindle.
The other one uses a 4 morse taper bung with 2 grubscrews to hold & preset the stop.
This is a more compact unit because of limited space in the rear end of the 4" chuck.
The stops are knurled so as to allow easy manipulation when setting them up.
I hope this will be of interest.
regards
Bruce.
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4th July 2012, 08:01 PM #2.
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As usual, beautiful work. Not bad for an old codger.
A nearly as old BT
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4th July 2012, 08:14 PM #3SENIOR MEMBER
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Nice job Bruce.
Not drinking too much beer and whiskey help's too
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Thats Latte people
Came up great, did you mean to have the same picture twice? I feel I'm missing out on something.
I hope you made a matching set for BT
Stuart
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4th July 2012, 08:45 PM #5
Nice
Thats nice
I wish I could machine up morse tapers like that Your top slide must have a long travel, or do you use a taper attachment ?
How did you machine the internal bore of the bung to accept the 3C collet ?
For larger work pieces I use tapered roller bearing cups in the chuck as spacers , but they tend to move around as the chuck rotates
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Yes it is of interest Abratool and they very noice.
The simpler one just went on my list for my small lathe(9"x 20"). I pinched a couple of pics to remind me.
Cheers.If I'm not right, then I'm wrong, I'll just go bend some more bananas.
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Nicely done Bruce. In practice, how do you set the depth of the simple version? Obviously the grub screws must be tightened before placing the bung in the spindle bore. Do you use some sort of jig to set the depth stop before installing it?
P.S. How do you keep your chuck so shiny?
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4th July 2012, 10:00 PM #9
Nice one Bruce
Good to see the KISS principle hard at work. Should be nice and easy to use. I take it you can get them in and out with the chuck in use on?1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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4th July 2012, 10:03 PM #10future machinist
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Nice bit of turning they look great
BETTER TO HAVE TOOLS YOU DON'T NEED THAN TO NEED TOOLS YOU DON'T HAVE
Andre
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4th July 2012, 10:18 PM #11GOLD MEMBER
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Setting Depth
Chris
I can set the depth by lightly pinching up the grub screws & using the tailstock to push in the depth stop, to say a rule measurement, or using a Depth Micrometer if need be.
The chuck is removed the grub screws tightened & "Bobs your Uncle"
(I am not sure if hes my uncle)
The chucks are a bit over 20 yrs old, I find using "Inox" on them is good & I keep them under the lathe covered with an oily rag.My next project is to build a couple of good wood drawers to fit under the lathe, to house all the goodies that go with the lathe.
You blokes have kept me on my toes chasing E Bay & more & more stuff, thanks.
regards
Bruce
ps Rifle specialists, use "Inox" effectively & that is where I first found out about this stuff.
For me it works
With the 3C type collet for the larger chuck its an easy matter of adjusting the stop with everything in position.
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Hey Bruce,
Would you consider an extended stop that projects out the back through the draw bar handwheel? With a threaded bush installed in the handwheel bore and portion of the drawbar threaded, depth adjustment could be made then the hand wheel turned to pull up the collet and lock the stop in position. You could even do away with any threads and simply push the stop into position with only a simple bush in the handwheel to centre the stop.
Something else. Was the Rohm a Hercus option when you purchased the 260? If so, why German in preference to an English Burnerd?
Bob.
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Machining a 3C collet holder
Mike
To turn the 4 Morse Taper I used the compound slide. It has enough travel in it to do this job in one setting. A little while back I showed on a seperate post a Sine Bar set up I made for accurately setting the Compound Slide to a predetermined angle.
A photo of that set up is attached.
It produces a very accurate angle.
After turning the 4 Morse taper & without disturbing anything the Bung is drilled & bored to suit the parallel section of the rear of the 3C collet.
The Bung is then mounted in the 4 Morse of the lathe headstock, & boring continued, providing a relieved section at the front end & then the compound is set again to exactly 12 degrees using the Sine Bar. The front of the Collet Holder is then finished to size, to suit the 3C dimension
Doing it this way ensures very good concentricity.
A small grub screw 8-32 UNC is fitted to act as a key to prevent the 3C collet from rotating when the draw bar is tightened.
Accuracy measured with a tenth indicator (thanks to Ray G) was 2 tenths of a thou max.with the 3C collet.
After completing this bung, which seemed difficult at first, would now be easy.
But then I guess that applies to a lot of jobs.
regards
Bruce
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[QUOTE=Abratool;1514877
After completing this bung, which seemed difficult at first, would now be easy.
But then I guess that applies to a lot of jobs.
regards
Bruce[/QUOTE]
If it's that easy why don't you make one for me. Ha Ha just bullsheeting Bruce.
How do you reckon the 1214 will shape up? Was there any temptation to go harder?
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5th July 2012, 12:06 AM #15
Ta
Thanks for taking the time to explain that Bruce
Your pics are a delight ! Large and clear
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