Thread: crossed fingers and dripping tears - it's a crime

Well done on the rescue Des.

How bout Skippy......she was in the skip after all....

Or Oscar....as in Oscar the grouch....he's green and lives in the trash can.

Originally Posted by Ueee

Well done on the rescue Des.

How bout Skippy......she was in the skip after all....

Or Oscar....as in Oscar the grouch....he's green and lives in the trash can.

Oscar really hit the funny bone!!!! - thanks for the suggestion.
I haven't decided a name yet, and appreciate the suggestions so far.

Thanks,
Des

I think you should call it Stuart. No not that Stuart. Stuart Diver. The guy that got rescued out of that land slide at Threadbo some years ago.

He was in the dumpster for 3 days. 67 hours to be exact. (Or so Wiki tells me). He had a miraculous rescue. Just like the little green machine.

Regards Phil.

I knew Stutoys would like that.

This just occurred to me. 3/4 of an hour latter. Must be that second can I just opened being that time on a Friday afternoon.

I was working on the rescue angle before. But this just hit me:

Stuart Diver & Dumpster Diver. This has Mojo written all over it.

Phil.

The varius permissions and paperwork has finally finished its circuit through the company. I have the bit of paper which says the remains of the mill are mine, and the Hiab has been ordered for collection and delivery.

I still haven't settled on a name
Stuart is certainly a hot contender - although i know it'll be shortened to Stewie in use
The other prime contender is "Bin" - an affectionate concatenation of Belinda (my wife's name)

I'll be documenting the photos once it arrives, and the entre restoration will be documented and posted. I've been reading the one shot lubrication threads here since I'll need to repair the damaged system.

work on the mill will be slow until the shed is built, then i can work with more room. (shed is still being designed - roughly 12mL x 6m W x 3-4m H (still figuring out how high I can go)

Des

Good on you Des, best of luck with both the shed, and the mill refurbishment. Great to see it go where it will be cared for and looked after. It always amazes me to see how long it takes to get permission to get something from an organisation, either for a nominal amount or for no charge, compared to the time it took to just throw it in the bin. Surely the person who ordered the mill be binned, had the authority to do so, and if so, why has it taken so long to let one of the employees have it. It would be saving them money for the cost of hauling it away, unless it had been destined for the scrap yard, in which case there was perhaps 800kg of scrap cast iron to be accounted for, but I reckon that you would have paid that the next day if that was what it would have taken to get your mill. Anyway (s)he's your now
Rob.

work on the mill will be slow until the shed is built, then i can work with more room. (shed is still being designed - roughly 12mL x 6m W x 3-4m H (still figuring out how high I can go)

While you are designing your shed, why not allow for an overhead gantry to run over where you expect to do most of your work, to save the back!!!! Even if it runs part way, over the lathe and mill, chucks weigh a bit as one gets older.
Higher the better, (you never know if you need a hiab to unload another skip treasure), keeps the heat up higher, don't forget the roof vents.
Kryn

I'm just finishing up some work at home (locating pipes mising of the current house plans) so I can submit the planning application to the council...
Shed as it currently stands (on paper) is:
6m wide, by 13m long, with 4m high walls, PLUS
a 3m W x 4m L office at one end, a 3000L water tank (on stand) beside it (to square up that end),
and a 6m W x 4m L open bay at the other end (with a 4m Wide roller door between them).

The shed will most likely be a portal frame design (still sorting that all out) and the floor will be strengthened along the wall where the mill, douglas shaper, and future lathe will go (my current lathe is a taig lathe)

I'm planning on building in a rail system over the lathe and mill as much for moving chucks and work pieces, but I will have the option of using one of those engine lifters as well (Saw one used at Rodm's place,a nd was quite impressed with how easily it handled things.)

I'm still saving up for this shed, but hope to break ground on it before the end of this year.

If anyone has tips, pinters or suggestions for shed design, or building them cheaper in the Perth region, please sing out.

Thanks,
Des

Hi des,
Are you going to get a kit shed or make it up yourself? When I built mine 4 years ago, I got quotes on shed kits and I could not believe the range of prices. Mine is 15 x 8 x 2.7m at the eaves. The cheapest kit was from fair dinkem sheds, from Memory 13k ish with ceiling insulation, 5 meter wide roller door, 2 access doors and 2 whirlygigs.
Same with the concrete, quotes were all over the place, I think the guy I went with charged $60 per m2 for 5" 30 MPA with reo, plastic etc.
I'm not sure on your weather but I would insulate the walls and ceiling, my kit came with Aircel for the ceiling and I used anticon and r2s in the walls, lined with 9mm mdf. After my bout of pneumonia last year I'm putting a fire in this winter, I have been told not to let my chest get too cold.....
At your ceiling height I'd also put a mezzanine for storage.

Originally Posted by desbromilow

If anyone has tips, pinters or suggestions for shed design, or building them cheaper in the Perth region, please sing out.

Hi Des,

Mine is a kit, one advantage of using a kit was that you get all of the engineering calculations and documentation to make planning approval a bit easier... it's 15x7.5x3 gable roof, and I have overhead storage in the gable section.

I got mates to help me with the concrete pour, but paid for a guy to do the finishing with one of those helicopter things, free beer (after the pour) and a barbeque made for a good day.

Best thing I did was to install insulation in the roof and walls, then lined the walls with 12mm ply. And I modified the kit to put in windows down one wall for lots of natural light.

Good luck, looking forward to seeing how it all goes.

Regards
Ray

thanks Ueee for the comments

I'll do as much of the work myself as possible - but as fr kit vs "materials" it'll come back to pricing.
A lot of sheds have gone up in my neighbourhood recently, so I've been askign the owners about pricing, and noticed a lot of variation between companies - so i will be getting multiple quotes for the floor as well as the shed itself.
I plan on insulating the roof - at least 2 whirlybirds, lining the walls with ply (if i can find a cheap source) and the office will have a mezzanine floor above it, the main shed will have high cupboards alogn the long walls - I need the hieght above the mill for the head and drawbar. I'm toying with using the rail over the lathe/mill, wall as a rail for one of those rolling ladders for accessing the overhead cupboards/shelves.

Once construction commences, I will photograph and post the whole process.

Des

Originally Posted by Ueee

Hi des,
Are you going to get a kit shed or make it up yourself? When I built mine 4 years ago, I got quotes on shed kits and I could not believe the range of prices. Mine is 15 x 8 x 2.7m at the eaves. The cheapest kit was from fair dinkem sheds, from Memory 13k ish with ceiling insulation, 5 meter wide roller door, 2 access doors and 2 whirlygigs.
Same with the concrete, quotes were all over the place, I think the guy I went with charged $60 per m2 for 5" 30 MPA with reo, plastic etc.
I'm not sure on your weather but I would insulate the walls and ceiling, my kit came with Aircel for the ceiling and I used anticon and r2s in the walls, lined with 9mm mdf. After my bout of pneumonia last year I'm putting a fire in this winter, I have been told not to let my chest get too cold.....
At your ceiling height I'd also put a mezzanine for storage.

Hi Des

Incase you havent seen it.THE SHED

Might be something useful there.

Stuart

Just a quick note to say the mill restoration is proceeding in various fits and starts, and the shed is not much better.

Mill -
made/adjusted all broken knobs and mechanical controls
Repaired broken Y axis screw
repaired broken Y axis dial



Shed -
Cleared large section of pad area
Submitted and received council planning approval
submitted shed design to various shed builders/designers for quoting (What a trial - see comment below)
quote received for 9kL rain water tank on 2m high tank stand
designed and planned electrical services, switch board, and commenced pricing parts


Still to do
Mill - all electrical works, strip back and repaint, lubrication system, clean and lube all through

Shed - get vendor who can handle the design, slab pour, frame and clad, water tank and stand erection, electrical works, internal fitout, then move machines in, and make chips and sparks.


Shed suppliers... it seems most of the shed suppliers (wide span type guys) either sell only catalogue designs, or use a computer to design your "custom shed".. the computer is restricted to designs which are rectangular in shape.
I have had a number of other vendors accept my sketch, but then fail to come back to me with price or design - still working on a few options, but it is a dry market out there if you want something a bit different (4m high walls, suspended strip mezzanine storage, and a rectangle shape with a small attached office.

if anyone has leads on a good supplier/ erector of sheds in the Perth region, please let me know (onlist or off)

Thanks,
Des

You must have a good shire council...

I couldn't get approval thru Bayswater shire for a ridge line any higher than 3.2 meters - without written approval first from all neighbors.. so this limited me to 2.7 meters wall height.

If you got 4 meters approval without all the hassle, well done (Damn city of Bayswater & their planning dept).

Some local govt's are a lot harder to please than others. I erected an basically identical shed from the same supplier (Shed Makers in Malaga) for another guy over near the airport... he got approval in just days, from his local council, (Mine took 8 weeks). etc etc.

Having a good local govt to deal with is half the battle.

Cheers