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15th March 2015, 09:21 AM #1Senior Member
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Dean Smith & Grace 1307
My Colchester Chipmaster is too small for some of the larger automotive work that I do so I have been on the lookout for something a bit bigger.
This week I picked up a very nice DSG 1307 from Thales (ADI) in bendigo. Thales are gearing up to make the new Hawkei vehicle and need the floor space where the DSG was set up. In the move they kept a larger DSG and sold the 1307.
Here is a quick summary. I will post more about the machine specs once I have read the manual! More photos to follow once I get it in place and cleaned up.
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Quality machine
Very good condition. Needs a good clean. Has not been unused for a while.
250mm Pratt & Bernard Super Precision 3 jaw Chuck (hardly used)
250mm Pratt & Bernard 4 jaw chuck (as new, slight surface rust)
Swiss made Multifix QCTP with 13 tool holders
Power drilling attachment
Age. Year of manufacture 1981
Tail stock is MT3 and can share tooling with the Chipmaster
Original manual and drawings supplied
Location of machine 30km from home
Know history of machine and ADI reputation for maintaining machinery properly
Free loading
Price: $2600 + RIP
Minus
No steadies
No faceplate (the one that came with the machine if off another small lathe)
Thread chasing dial missing.
Tail stock MT has signs of scouring.
Cheers
Piers
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15th March 2015, 11:41 AM #2Senior Member
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Well done and looking forward to following your progress to install her. Price was pretty good as the QCTP and holders would not be far shy of the total cost.
Regards
Mark
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15th March 2015, 11:52 AM #3Pink 10EE owner
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Very good... if you are wondering about why it is called a 1307... 13" swing over bed, 07" swing over cross slide...
Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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15th March 2015, 11:56 AM #4
Hi Piers,
I think you got a real bargain there, DSG's are definately the Rolls Royce of lathes, and you got yourself a good one at a ridiculously low price.
Are you sure it's a 1307, I thought it was 1306 x 40, not that it matters and in any event I'm not even sure what the differences are.
I looked up the specs on the PB super precision chuck, guaranteed 0.03 mm TIR... that combined with the multifix tool posts makes it a real winner.
Looking forward to seeing it come to life.
Ray
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15th March 2015, 03:30 PM #5Pink 10EE owner
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15th March 2015, 04:19 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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So many levers lol
Whats going on with a gap, if is a gap. what ever it is the rear ways seem to be missing??
Looking forward to the clean up pictures.
Stuart
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15th March 2015, 05:35 PM #7
Hi Stuart
Just having a closer look at what your normal eagle eyes pick up and it looks like the saddle is thin at the back on that side so the way at the back does not need to go all the way to the headstock.
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15th March 2015, 06:27 PM #8SENIOR MEMBER
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DSG
Hi Piers,
The DSG manual clearly states that you have too many Multifix tool holders and you need to sell me at least half of what you have, rock bottom price of course.
Well done a great pick up, nice piece of gear.
Cheers Bruce
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15th March 2015, 06:30 PM #9Senior Member
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Multifix Prices
Hi Mark,
I had no idea how pricey the original Multifix are, so out of interest I priced them up on the Internet. Total price for the post and holders purchased individually is $3600 USD
http://www.thomasskinner.com/Custome...9cat_pg199.pdf
Cheers
Piers
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15th March 2015, 06:38 PM #10Senior Member
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15th March 2015, 06:47 PM #11Senior Member
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Monarch-DSG
Hi RC,
I think DSG are the Rolls Royce. Monarch are the Cadillac of lathes.
Either way I have the Rolls Royce as the 1307 was sold in the USA as a Monarch-DSG
scroll down this link to see the Monarch flyer and what my lathe looked like new!
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...ch-dsg-173330/
Cheers
Piers
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15th March 2015, 09:03 PM #12Senior Member
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Ways
Hi Stuart,
I have not had time to investigate the "gap" feature of the lathe. Any DSG owners able to shed some light!
from what I recall (the lathe is not at my house) the missing way at the rear looks like a shoot to direct chips away from the bed. The rear way stops roughly in line with the chuck and the saddle carriage is flush with the tool centre line.
see if the attached photo sheds any more light on the subject.
Cheers
Piers
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15th March 2015, 09:24 PM #13Senior Member
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15th March 2015, 09:35 PM #14Senior Member
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DSG 1307 Features
Today I had a flick through the DSG manual and have put together the following summary of its key features:
swing over bed: 13"
Swing over sadle: 7"
Swing in gap: 22"
Distance between centres: 40"
Head stock bore diameter: 2 &1/8"
High speed belt driven head option
18 spindle speeds from 20 to 2240 RPM
Spindle nose: D1-6"
10 hp 3 phase motor
weight: 2520kg
45 metric and Inch thread pitches and feed rates (quick change)
Visual indicator of spindal speed selected
Visual indicator of pitch and feed rates selected
MT3 tail stock
Power drilling attachment
Feed reduction lever on apron. 1:1 and 5:8
6 adjustable carage stop positions
Built in head stock work steady "spider"
GIB Autogard apron safety clutch
Threading stop built into cross slide hand wheel
Multi start thread positioning indicator built into spindle nose.
What have I missed? Any other 1307 owners on the forum who can add something?
Cheers
Piers
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15th March 2015, 10:50 PM #15GOLD MEMBER
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