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    Default Dean Smith & Grace 1307

    My Colchester Chipmaster is too small for some of the larger automotive work that I do so I have been on the lookout for something a bit bigger.


    This week I picked up a very nice DSG 1307 from Thales (ADI) in bendigo. Thales are gearing up to make the new Hawkei vehicle and need the floor space where the DSG was set up. In the move they kept a larger DSG and sold the 1307.


    Here is a quick summary. I will post more about the machine specs once I have read the manual! More photos to follow once I get it in place and cleaned up.


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    Quality machine
    Very good condition. Needs a good clean. Has not been unused for a while.
    250mm Pratt & Bernard Super Precision 3 jaw Chuck (hardly used)
    250mm Pratt & Bernard 4 jaw chuck (as new, slight surface rust)
    Swiss made Multifix QCTP with 13 tool holders
    Power drilling attachment
    Age. Year of manufacture 1981
    Tail stock is MT3 and can share tooling with the Chipmaster
    Original manual and drawings supplied
    Location of machine 30km from home
    Know history of machine and ADI reputation for maintaining machinery properly
    Free loading
    Price: $2600 + RIP




    Minus
    No steadies
    No faceplate (the one that came with the machine if off another small lathe)
    Thread chasing dial missing.
    Tail stock MT has signs of scouring.


    Cheers


    Piers








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    Well done and looking forward to following your progress to install her. Price was pretty good as the QCTP and holders would not be far shy of the total cost.

    Regards

    Mark

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    Very good... if you are wondering about why it is called a 1307... 13" swing over bed, 07" swing over cross slide...
    Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.

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    Hi Piers,

    I think you got a real bargain there, DSG's are definately the Rolls Royce of lathes, and you got yourself a good one at a ridiculously low price.

    Are you sure it's a 1307, I thought it was 1306 x 40, not that it matters and in any event I'm not even sure what the differences are.

    I looked up the specs on the PB super precision chuck, guaranteed 0.03 mm TIR... that combined with the multifix tool posts makes it a real winner.

    Looking forward to seeing it come to life.

    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    Hi Piers,

    I think you got a real bargain there, DSG's are definately the Rolls Royce of lathes,
    Nah, Monarchs are..

    As an interesting tidbit of information... Monarch probably owned DS&G when that lathe was made...
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    So many levers lol

    Whats going on with a gap, if is a gap. what ever it is the rear ways seem to be missing??

    Looking forward to the clean up pictures.

    Stuart

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    Hi Stuart
    Just having a closer look at what your normal eagle eyes pick up and it looks like the saddle is thin at the back on that side so the way at the back does not need to go all the way to the headstock.
    Nice lathe at a great price.
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    Hi Piers,
    The DSG manual clearly states that you have too many Multifix tool holders and you need to sell me at least half of what you have, rock bottom price of course.

    Well done a great pick up, nice piece of gear.

    Cheers Bruce

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    Default Multifix Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by markgray View Post
    Price was pretty good as the QCTP and holders would not be far shy of the total cost.

    Regards

    Mark
    Hi Mark,

    I had no idea how pricey the original Multifix are, so out of interest I priced them up on the Internet. Total price for the post and holders purchased individually is $3600 USD

    http://www.thomasskinner.com/Custome...9cat_pg199.pdf

    Cheers

    Piers

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    Default TIR 0.03

    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    Hi Piers,

    Are you sure it's a 1307, I thought it was 1306 x 40, not that it matters and in any event I'm not even sure what the differences are.

    I looked up the specs on the PB super precision chuck, guaranteed 0.03 mm TIR... that combined with the multifix tool posts makes it a real winner.


    Ray
    Hi Ray,

    Great to met yourself and Josh at the auction.

    Pretty sure it is a 1307?

    The 3 jaw TIR 0.03 guaranteed might be why the 4 jaw shows no sign of use and was gathering dust and a fine layer of surface rust!

    Once it is set up I will check the TIR.

    Cheers

    Piers

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    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    Nah, Monarchs are..

    As an interesting tidbit of information... Monarch probably owned DS&G when that lathe was made...
    Hi RC,

    I think DSG are the Rolls Royce. Monarch are the Cadillac of lathes.

    Either way I have the Rolls Royce as the 1307 was sold in the USA as a Monarch-DSG

    scroll down this link to see the Monarch flyer and what my lathe looked like new!

    http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...ch-dsg-173330/

    Cheers

    Piers

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    Default Ways

    Quote Originally Posted by Stustoys View Post
    So many levers :? lol

    Whats going on with a gap, if is a gap. what ever it is the rear ways seem to be missing??

    Looking forward to the clean up pictures.

    Stuart
    Hi Stuart,

    I have not had time to investigate the "gap" feature of the lathe. Any DSG owners able to shed some light!

    from what I recall (the lathe is not at my house) the missing way at the rear looks like a shoot to direct chips away from the bed. The rear way stops roughly in line with the chuck and the saddle carriage is flush with the tool centre line.

    see if the attached photo sheds any more light on the subject.

    Cheers

    Piers
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    Default DSG Manual

    Quote Originally Posted by argeng View Post
    Hi Piers,
    The DSG manual clearly states that you have too many Multifix tool holders and you need to sell me at least half of what you have, rock bottom price of course.
    Cheers Bruce
    Hi Bruce,

    Read most of the manual today but could not find the reference you mention

    Cheers

    Piers

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    Default DSG 1307 Features

    Today I had a flick through the DSG manual and have put together the following summary of its key features:

    swing over bed: 13"
    Swing over sadle: 7"
    Swing in gap: 22"
    Distance between centres: 40"
    Head stock bore diameter: 2 &1/8"
    High speed belt driven head option
    18 spindle speeds from 20 to 2240 RPM
    Spindle nose: D1-6"
    10 hp 3 phase motor
    weight: 2520kg
    45 metric and Inch thread pitches and feed rates (quick change)
    Visual indicator of spindal speed selected
    Visual indicator of pitch and feed rates selected
    MT3 tail stock
    Power drilling attachment

    Feed reduction lever on apron. 1:1 and 5:8
    6 adjustable carage stop positions
    Built in head stock work steady "spider"
    GIB Autogard apron safety clutch
    Threading stop built into cross slide hand wheel
    Multi start thread positioning indicator built into spindle nose.

    What have I missed? Any other 1307 owners on the forum who can add something?

    Cheers

    Piers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave J View Post
    Hi Stuart
    Just having a closer look at what your normal eagle eyes pick up and it looks like the saddle is thin at the back on that side so the way at the back does not need to go all the way to the headstock.
    Hi Dave,

    I'm thinking the carriage is square.

    Thanks for the picture Piers, looks like its not a gap bed. Guess we'll find out one day

    Stuart

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