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19th June 2013, 03:29 PM #1
Deckel FP2LB
The next machine restoration project.. these are the auction pictures, it should be in the workshop next week with a bit of luck.
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Milling and boring machine, Deckel, Model FP2LB, table size 440 x 1000mm, l Auction (0003-5006747) | GraysOnline Australia
Still working out the budget for the project, but Josh has already laid claim to ownership...
The square tank in picture 2, behind the machine we think is a coolant tank, but not 100% sure.. the DRO ( looks like a Sony) is mounted on the wrong side on a dodgy looking angle iron frame.
As far as I can work out the head is more like an FP3 head, but hopefully our resident Deckel guru (GQ) can help?
I don't think we'll keep the grey, reseda green perhaps...
Regards
Ray
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19th June 2013, 03:37 PM #2SENIOR MEMBER
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Congratulations. Not a bad price even with the buyers ripoff etc.
I didn't bid on it, FWIW. Decided I had enough things on the go and that machine didn't really fit where I see my shop going in the future. Too big really. I'd find a home for an FP2 because I could then sell one or 2 of my other mills. That one, I can't see fitting into a future smaller shop.
PDW
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19th June 2013, 03:49 PM #3Distracted Member
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Ooh you dogs. Nice buy!
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19th June 2013, 03:56 PM #4GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Ray,
Thats less than I paid for my stinking BP :'(
I need to learn patience... though it is much easier to be patient when you have one mill already lol
So thats a traveling column? I mean it has to be right?.... but it seems strange hanging that column off the back of the "table"??? Going to need a close up of the ways when it gets to its new home.
Am I missing something again?
Is there a quill in the vertical head?
Are there any bolts holding the vertical head on?
Is that a broken casting I see?
Stuart
p.s. Congratulations of courseLast edited by Stustoys; 19th June 2013 at 03:59 PM. Reason: p.s
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19th June 2013, 04:05 PM #5
I saw this auction before the close...actually Ray pointed it out to me. I was keen initially because I need a vertical head for my FP2, but as Ray points out, it is different...possibly like an FP-3 or even an early FP4.
The basic mill seems to have all the column mounted features of the pre-1967 FP2, with the two crank speed selectors for feeds and speeds. Its interesting to see that it retains the rapids lever for all three axes.
The tank is for coolant I think...lots of coolant. The electrical cabinet will contains lots of air, some contactors and a couple of relays...and power points for lights and microscopes. They have this cool feature thatdisables the spindle motor when the microscope is plugged in.
The DRO mounting, while agricultural, may be on the correct side. At least its out of the way back there. A better mounting point would be on an articulated arm from the back that swings over like the control location on the later NC machines.
I aim to mount something at eye height on mine, but maybe that would not be so convenient for normal people.
Yours would surely have to be the only home bed mill? And bed mills must surely lead to bigger and better lifting gear?
...looking for a manual for you.
GQIt's all part of the service here at The House of Pain™
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19th June 2013, 04:13 PM #6
Well done Ray (and Josh)
It should be one good machine. Once running you will see why I call my 50 a POS......
Finally you will have a mill to use to cnc the 50, no more pulling it apart only to have to put it back together to mill something.
Resada green is nice.
One thing though.....how will you make room for it?
Cheers
Ew
Now looking at the pic bigcsreen and not on phone. You'll like the uni head, very handy, although not having the spindle in the middle of the rotating axis makes tramming a little annoying. I presume these machines are designed to be used from behind the right of the table? Very nice......it also looks like a certain M.G. from trundle bided on it.1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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19th June 2013, 04:36 PM #7
Wow Stuart, I just cracked up laughing.... how the **** did we miss that, it looks like the seating ring around the head, superhuman observation powers to the rescue. It's fixable, and might even be a separate piece??
The quill travel is pretty short 100mm I think, there should be handle that goes on the shaft at the top. ( the way the head is rotated in the picture.)
Yes it's a bed mill, moving column, I understand that makes for a more rigid set up than a knee mill, more accurate over the whole work envelope. ( I'm quoting from PM here... )
Thanks GQ, we have been scouring sites looking for manuals but not coming up with much just yet...
here's an FP3L, with crank wheels, table turned around the other way, and with the Sony display mounted the way you described, AND reseda green no less
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Regards
Ray
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19th June 2013, 04:58 PM #8future machinist
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Nice mill one Question how will you get it home
BETTER TO HAVE TOOLS YOU DON'T NEED THAN TO NEED TOOLS YOU DON'T HAVE
Andre
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19th June 2013, 05:11 PM #9
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19th June 2013, 05:21 PM #10
Thanks Ewan, Yes, Mark was interested if it went for a lower price, but he said after the auction that he was pleased to see it going to a good home... the losing bidder was (is) a dealer as far as I know.
The price is probably about right, it will have cost us close to $3500-$4000 by the time I get it home, and probably another $1000 by the time we get it restored and operational.
But it's not about price, it's more about having a machine that can handle bigger jobs than what we can do currently. We are still looking for a CNC mill as well....
Regards
Ray
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19th June 2013, 06:10 PM #11
Z axis?
How does the z axis work on this bad boy, Ray? Does the table telescope on its base, or does the column?
You will be in the market for some 40 taper tooling I guess. If you have to start from scratch you would be better off to replace the Deckel S20 x 2 buttress thread with an M16 male drawbar and use standard tooling. I might even have such a drawbar here spare.
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19th June 2013, 06:12 PM #12Pink 10EE owner
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Are the travels 1000X400 same as the table size?
Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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19th June 2013, 06:43 PM #13
Hi GQ The column moves up and down, the table is fixed, haven't yet found a good picture of an FP2LB showing the Z axis, but if I find one I'll post it. The FP3L and it's friends are pretty much the same I think.
EDIT: Ok... here's a picture of an FP3L from the side with the head in a raised position.. that makes it a bit clearer...
RC, No, not 1000x400 I think the work envelope is800 x 200 x 400. I don't know for sure.ok, it's 800 x 350 x 400
But with the fixed table, you can handle larger and heavier work on the machine.
Regards
Ray
PS Thanks GQ, I'll take that advice and change the drawbar thread...
EDIT: I see Herr Franz Singer has some manuals on ebay.
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19th June 2013, 07:13 PM #14
Ray, I sent you the parts manual for the FP2 by email, and a link to an inexpensive english manual on PM.
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19th June 2013, 07:50 PM #15Senior Member
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Congratulations Ray,
That is a great bit of kit.
Road trip ... we've got a hire truck, a 4 tonne tautliner... 16 hours on the road.
I have just had my new house connected to 3 phase power today, so I can't wait to get it finished, build my new shed and upgrade my mill to something nice like this.
Cheers
Piers
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