Thread: Deckel FP2LB

Originally Posted by RayG

There were two different tables available for the FP2LB ( and FP3L) the universal table which tilts and rotates every which way, and a fixed table that could be had with an extension, that would have a pretty big table.

I found those pictures on the wayback machine, Plus other stuff metalworking.com - /DropBox/

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I'd like to see a cross section of the t-slot and how much he had to machine out of the slot to do the repair.... I'm worried that we will end up with not enough thickness..

Regards
Ray

EDIT: Here's the FP3L showing the supplementary table mentioned above.
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Boy, the underside of that slot is ugly!

If you were particularly interested, Walter at Singer would undoubtedly have the drawing, just need to hope he's not snowed under with emails.

I do know he was rather emphatic about not using the standard locating T bolt for the universal tables on the conventional mill's apron, so they must have some extensive experience of them causing issues. Not that it's particularly relevant, you can see the mount in the middle of the grime, possibly...

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The table I saw was about 4ft high, 6 or 7ft long, maybe a 33 or something bigger?

Hunch,

Thank you for finding and posting Ross' photos and for the dropbox link. I had an old link saved that now opens to a page of useless advertising. I missed that trove of photos, essential for making sense of some of the older PM threads.

Ray and Josh,

I'm wondering if this broken casting and its subsequent repair have been discussed on the Deckel Yahoo site - dmog : Deckel Mill Owners Group

I'm not member because I don't own a Deckel and I reckon dreaming about them probably isn't enough to be granted membership but if if the Deckel group is anything like the Schaublin and the Aciera-Old Swiss Machine Tools groups then it would be worth joining. Information aplenty.

BT

Originally Posted by Hunch

Boy, the underside of that slot is ugly!

If you were particularly interested, Walter at Singer would undoubtedly have the drawing, just need to hope he's not snowed under with emails.

I do know he was rather emphatic about not using the standard locating T bolt for the universal tables on the conventional mill's apron, so they must have some extensive experience of them causing issues. Not that it's particularly relevant, you can see the mount in the middle of the grime, possibly...

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The table I saw was about 4ft high, 6 or 7ft long, maybe a 33 or something bigger?

Hi Hunch, Thanks for that picture, looks exactly like our universal table.. I see an unbrako T bolt in the middle.... I think we are going to mount a search and destroy operation for unbrako T bolts...

Hi BT, Thanks for the tip on the yahoo deckel group, I'll go take a look.

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

Hunch,

Thank you for finding and posting Ross' photos and for the dropbox link. I had an old link saved that now opens to a page of useless advertising. I missed that trove of photos, essential for making sense of some of the older PM threads

I think it would be a long, long stretch of the bow to take any thanks there, with both you remembering and then RayG finding the pics. Not using PM's craptacular search engine is about the only thing going for me!

Always interesting to see AlfaGTA's set-ups after not seeing them for a long time. Must have a small battalion of apprentices cleaning cast iron crud between shots, I know it would look like a shrapnel shell had exploded above the mill if I ever paused for that stuff .

Bill.

Hi RayG,

Belated congratulations on picking up a most desirable mill.

While the broken parts are a bit of a bummer, at least you get to have an up close and personal look at the condition of some of the drive components while you make your repairs.

For reasons not so obvious to me I missed the auction for the Deckel. I was, however, busy bidding in another Grays auction on some Felder gear. I was the first runner up there

Makes mental note to be more careful checking future auctions.

Cheers

The Beryl Bloke

Originally Posted by Theberylbloke

Hi RayG,

Belated congratulations on picking up a most desirable mill.

While the broken parts are a bit of a bummer, at least you get to have an up close and personal look at the condition of some of the drive components while you make your repairs.

For reasons not so obvious to me I missed the auction for the Deckel. I was, however, busy bidding in another Grays auction on some Felder gear. I was the first runner up there

Makes mental note to be more careful checking future auctions.

Cheers

The Beryl Bloke

Thanks, I glad you fell for the distraction,,,

Gray's auctions are always a bit hit and miss, they are so slack with their descriptions and pictures, that it's a wonder they manage to sell anything... This is the only FP2LB I've ever seen come up on Grays, although there was an FP3L that went for over $5000 back in 2011, and the one I would have liked to get a Deckel Maho FP3-50 that went for $2800 a few years back.

They seem to keep coming up and there must be more of them out there somewhere, gathering dust in secret underground defence research bunkers, along with racks of pristine accessories... keep looking..

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by Hunch

I think it would be a long, long stretch of the bow to take any thanks there, with both you remembering and then RayG finding the pics. Not using PM's craptacular search engine is about the only thing going for me!

Always interesting to see AlfaGTA's set-ups after not seeing them for a long time. Must have a small battalion of apprentices cleaning cast iron crud between shots, I know it would look like a shrapnel shell had exploded above the mill if I ever paused for that stuff .

Bill.

Hey Bill,

It's obvious I'm starting to slip. Stuart hauled me up for not reading his earlier post and you've pointed out that Ray posted the missing Ross photos. Sorry. I don't know what happened. I will try to sharpen up.

Bob

ps It's what Ross gets to set up that's real interesting.

Originally Posted by RayG

They seem to keep coming up and there must be more of them out there somewhere, gathering dust in secret underground defence research bunkers, along with racks of pristine accessories...

I know where there are a couple of FP2 machines but they don't gather dust.

Other than that, the above description is about right..... including the accessories.

PDW

We moved the FP2LB out of the doorway today so that I could get the table inside out of the weather and the cold. It involved juggling around a few tonnes of machinery (blessed art thou heavy duty skates) to nestle the Deckel into its new position. Once we got everything moved we decided put the table back onto the base.... Damn that table is a heavy duty piece of gear, at 400 kg it is not a trivial piece of kit to manoeuvre around.

Anyway here is a pic of her on the ground, the idea popular around the workshop at the moment is just to give her a really good clean, fix what needs to be fixed, put her to use for a while and get familiar with her before striping down proper.

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-Josh

400 kilos! FM! My entire 13 weighs only 5 boy's bags of cement more. Once you two start using it I bet you won't pull it to bits for a repaint.

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

400 kilos! FM! My entire 13 weighs only 5 boy's bags of cement more. Once you two start using it I bet you won't pull it to bits for a repaint.

Yes, the picture doesn't really convey just how big that table is... the vertex vise off the HM52 looked lost when Josh put it on there earlier... I think we'll be keeping an eye out for a matched pair of bigger vises...

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

400 kilos! FM! My entire 13 weighs only 5 boy's bags of cement more. Once you two start using it I bet you won't pull it to bits for a repaint.

I know right!. Picking it up at the factory I thought the table might have been 200kg ish, and they had their 5 tonne crane to pick it up, it was not till getting home and finding the weight in the manual, the table just looks so much smaller when its mounted. I have not found the capacity for the universal table but LB is designed to have very heavy work pieces up to (Ray correct me if I'm wrong) 1200kg, at least it will be rigid.

I'm sure your right as far as paint goes.... for a while anyway. The problem is the queue is getting longer and longer, I need to knock off a few of the other restorations first, the most pressing is the Varnamo shaper as I'm already missing it, after that it is the tool and cutter grinder, CNC conversion on the HM52 then the Deckel.

Plus I'm really keen to see what is like in a cut.

-Josh

Originally Posted by Brobdingnagian

I have not found the capacity for the universal table but LB is designed to have very heavy work pieces up to (Ray correct me if I'm wrong) 1200kg, at least it will be rigid.
-Josh

I read somewhere that the table can take up to 2000 kg, but that wasn't a Deckel Specification, it was just some guy on PM, so I'll go with 1200 kg as a fair estimate.. it's not specified in the FP2LB operators manual..

Regards
Ray

Not having the Y-axis power feed has been bugging me so today I dove into where i though the problem lay, and lay it did, the cam that moves the bevel gear to select forward or reverse on the y-axis had fallen down into the bottom the main drive gear box. I'm guessing someone started to try and repair it and slipped off its shaft, they heard a clang and then gave up. The other secondary problem with the power feed is that there is a missing coupling between the selector lever and the shaft, I would guess this was the original problem as tapered pin is domed over. I just need to make up a new sliding coupling and its good to go again.

-Josh


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