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    Good day gentlemen.
    I came across a Algra rapidue QCTP in a previoius post and have set it up on my Al60G where its working well.
    There was only one toolholder and a boring bar holder with it, and at the time I didn't care.
    Now I'm at the stage of wondering if I might source some more tool holders, mostly for the 'hell of it', since changing tools in the holder (as if its not a quick change set up) has not seemed to be problem.
    The Tipo M holders seem to cost about $100 each from the little bit of research I've done, so I'm wondering if there's an alternative. (apart from making them, which would stretch my capabilities at the moment)
    I recall someone saying that Dixon toolholders might fit, but even they seem costly, and I don't have the knowledge to know if there are different sizes etc.
    Is there a economical alternative with the same profile toolholdes as Algra? Maybe from Asia?
    I'm aware that it may be akin to fitting holden parts to a rolls royce, but for the home garage usage I have for the lathe, and if it takes a little hand filing or shaping to make things tight, I'm up for that.
    Don't get me wrong, I don't use shifters or a hammer, I'm not that rough, but 'good enough' works sometimes if I have patience and care.
    And while my tongue may be in my cheek (a little) I really will appreciate any suggestions and advice please.
    warm regards Brian

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    If you can get to hare and forbes to try theres they are around 75 each.
    Mine is a 150 from them and from memory V to V is 70mm but I would have to double check that.


    Dave

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    I know you said you didn't want to make them but here is a link to my thread on making them, it might give you some ideas and the measurements are in there somewhere.

    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/ma...-heavy-168866/
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    heh heh Dave is a bit rusty.... His link points back to this thread..
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    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    heh heh Dave is a bit rusty.... His link points back to this thread..
    Ha ha will fix that, bloody phone and google chrome.

    Dave

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    You need to search (ebay or/and google) for "dickson type toolholder". Dickson, not dixon.

    there are several sizes, you need to check what suits your Italian Algra toolpost. There are China (or is it India?) made Dickson style clones.

    There are also UK made Dickson clones like these: UK Made Quick Change Tool Holder Four Holders Dickson Type Boxford Mini Lathe | eBay

    Or this here from an Australian seller:
    Dickson Typetoolpost T51 Holder Only 72 X 32 X 34mm Suit 16mm Tools | eBay

    Anyway, these Dickson toolposts are not as common as other stuff like the American Aloris clones made in China that sell dirt cheap. You do pay premium for this reason, Dickson genuine or clones. I think you are best off making your own Dickson style toolholders if cost is paramount to you. Either that, or sell your Algra and use the funds towards a Chnese Aloris clone.

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    Brian,

    I posted a scanned Dickson brochure on the forum a while back. It may be of some use when it comes to sizing. https://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/di...2/#post1408138

    Funny, I never did find out if Ray's holders were similar in size to mine.. he must have got sidetracked. Easy at our age.

    Bob.

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    Brain have any luck with this im chasing some as well.
    i think there the same its a rapid tool post. small holders.
    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f275/w...olders-179171/
    aaron

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    Thanks everyone for your help and good advice.
    I have had a flick the posts, and there's plenty for me to follow up over the next few weeks.
    I had a bit of an 'episode' on Tuesday night and my time is being taken up with the usual tests etc that take days, much to my impatience.
    Thanks again and I will keep you in mind azzrock.
    best wishes for Christmas and New Year eveone
    regards
    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Brian,

    I posted a scanned Dickson brochure on the forum a while back. It may be of some use when it comes to sizing. https://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/di...2/#post1408138

    Funny, I never did find out if Ray's holders were similar in size to mine.. he must have got sidetracked. Easy at our age.

    Bob.
    I remember the question, it's the answer I've forgottem... mine will be the same as Dave's if that helps...

    I might have to wait till it cools down, they are predicting a top of 43C today.

    Regards
    Ray

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    I tried to find the measurement from v to v in the thead I posted above buy couldn't see it.
    From memory my v's where 70mm apart from memory and 90 degrees angle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave J View Post
    I tried to find the measurement from v to v in the thead I posted above buy couldn't see it.
    From memory my v's where 70mm apart from memory and 90 degrees angle
    My genuine Dickson on the Chipmaster measures 2.475" centre of V to centre of V as near as I can measure it. Might be 63mm. So a size smaller than yours I'd say, takes 12mm tooling.

    Also 90 degrees angle.

    Making a pile of tool holders is on my job list, just a long way down as I'd actually prefer a Swiss 40 position type holder. No real reason, the Dickson is very good for both holding and repeatability, I just think the 40 position types are cool.

    PDW

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    I like those as well, John Stevenson got onto a mob in china reproducing them at a reasonable cost of around 400 a set from memory.

    I am happy with my H&F tool post buy if I had to buy one on a budget tomorrow I would buy the bxa wedge as the tool holders are so cheap.
    My holders will take around 20mm but I can only use around 16mm otherwise it ends up over center height because the tool holder wont go any lower. I probably just gained an extra mm grinding the cross slide etc lol

    Unless I buy a bigger lathe this toolpost will see me out.
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    I'm also chasing tool holders for a genuine Dickson tool post mine are 81.6mm between Vees.

    There is one on ebay which is too small for me:
    The tool post is 75mm wide and the tool holder accepts 20mm shank tools, while I don't know the brand name it was removed from a Colchester Chipmaster lathe.
    Lathe Quick Changetool Post | eBay
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    Lathe Quick Changetool Post | eBay

    One side is broken off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techo1 View Post
    Lathe Quick Changetool Post | eBay

    One side is broken off.

    I don't think anything is broken off as such. It is the same as my toolpost, the pad and cam pin are missing on all but one side. These can be made if you really want them.
    So basically it is a one side QCTP and you don't really need more than one holder at a time in use. The benefit is the quick swapping of tool holders.



    On revisiting the photos yes the cam pin hole on one side of the post seems to have been machined off.
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