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    Default Drill Press and vice - How do you use yours?

    Guys,
    This maybe a very stupid question.

    Long story short - Following advice and recommendation from people here Id really like a good clean example of a Wladown 3" drill press vice, but they seem to be a bit hard to come by so am looking at other good, tidy vices.

    Following previous threads Ive got my eye on a good example of an old 4" Palmgren vice but one point of difference is that the Palmgren doesn't appear to offer the horizontal "v" shape down the side like the Walden vice does. Previously Anorak_Bob has provided plans to his vice hold downs that hold the vice on the drill press table via these horizontal 'v" groves. (one of his pictures re-attached). How important is this feature?

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    Ive also attached a pic of the Palmgren.

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    Question is would this lack of holding down ability be restrictive? I was thinking that I could turn up a couple of little round bobbins that would bolt through the slots in the drill press table and the vice could then rest against those to stop the drill biting and spinning the work round.

    Any thoughts or am I better holding out for a Waldown?

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    If you had access to a shaper or mill, you could make slots like the Waldown's on the Palmgren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nadroj View Post
    If you had access to a shaper or mill, you could make slots like the Waldown's on the Palmgren.

    Jordan
    Jordan,
    Thanks - thats an interesting suggestion. I don't have a mill or shaper but I suspect someone in Sydney would change a few beers for a few slots

    Thanks for the idea.

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    Depends exactly what you are doing.. you can just hold the part by hand, (with a sacrificial board) provided there is a stop to prevent the part from grabbing and spinning around to whack you. I have one drill press set up with an XY table, and another with the vise clamped using quick clamps... All in all I think the XY table is best.

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    J,

    How about something like this ? - https://www.woodworkforums.com/showth...00#post1466800

    The benefits of a vice bolted to a table are the opportunity for repeatability and the prevention of the job riding up on the drill bit. I often drill, tap and countersink without moving the workpiece or the vice.

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    Thanks Bob,
    How does that arm work? Obviously it will slide up and down the drill press column, but what does the cam action do? I presume it locks everything up but Im not seeing how you get much vertical movement to get your work underneath the arm.

    thx
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    Hi J,

    I have one of those waldown vices similar to what you want, it's attached to an angle block that allows tilting. I find I mainly use it on the mill when it suites. I use a cheapie chinese drill press vice on the drill press. I like Rays idea of an XY table. I may look into that one day.

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    This is what I use if I don't want to hold by hand or with pliers.
    The vice slides in the angle iron which is welded to the flat plate which has 2 bolts which slide in the table slots.
    This allows me to position the work under the drill by sliding the vice around
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    Quote Originally Posted by ventureoverland View Post
    Thanks Bob,
    How does that arm work? Obviously it will slide up and down the drill press column, but what does the cam action do? I presume it locks everything up but Im not seeing how you get much vertical movement to get your work underneath the arm.

    thx
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    Jon,

    The arm is moved off the table and out of the way. The workpiece is positioned on the table and the arm is raised up and lowered onto the workpiece. The cam then locks the clamp's foot in place. The fit of the cast iron ring around the column is such that the clamp assembly slides readily up and down but the cam action serves also to cock the ring and lock it in place on the column.

    On my little Tough drill's 6 slotted round table I use ( use to use would be more appropriate ) a small no name vice simply clamped to the table though the vice's long mounting slots. I use nothing more stylish than a pair of hex head bolts and nuts. Works.

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    I think one of the most important things is that the side of the vice is machined so you can stand it on its side and drill the end of long parts, both the Waldown and Palmgren have this feature.
    I use a beater 4" TM (hafco) vice a lot, it seems ok but lacks the machined sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ueee View Post
    I think one of the most important things is that the side of the vice is machined so you can stand it on its side and drill the end of long parts, both the Waldown and Palmgren have this feature.
    I use a beater 4" TM (hafco) vice a lot, it seems ok but lacks the machined sides.

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    I wouldn't have thought of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ueee View Post
    I think one of the most important things is that the side of the vice is machined so you can stand it on its side and drill the end of long parts, both the Waldown and Palmgren have this feature.
    I use a beater 4" TM (hafco) vice a lot, it seems ok but lacks the machined sides.

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    Ew,

    The challenge of long part end drilling can be overcome by tilting the table 90 degrees and using any old clamp down vice. The 3M Waldown table that Jon pictured in his initial post doesn't have a through hole and it is my intention that it never has a through hole so tilting is the only option on that drill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Ew,

    The challenge of long part end drilling can be overcome by tilting the table 90 degrees and using any old clamp down vice. The 3M Waldown table that Jon pictured in his initial post doesn't have a through hole and it is my intention that it never has a through hole so tilting is the only option on that drill.

    BT
    Bob,

    Anoher alternative which can be useful sometimes. It's a leg spacer bar from an ancient marble topped cast iron table on which all the studs had rusted through. It is clamped to an angle plate bolted to the drill press table.

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