Thread: eBay purchase- milling cutter

Originally Posted by Hornetb

Rodm,

I've had negative experiences with ebay and paypal as well. Its not until you have to lodge a dispute or have a problem that the short comings of the whole ebay/paypal experience becomes apparent. I boycotted ebay and paypal for a long time after my last experience and it took a long time to come back but sometimes there is just no other way to get obscure stuff so you kind of have to just suck it up.

While it was a while ago and I forget the details, basically as a seller I had a bidder not pay for a won item. No problems I thought, but because the item sold for a large sum eBay took their fee. In order to recoup my fees I lodged a claim for a non-paying bidder. To get my fees refunded the outcome of my dispute actually hinged on the "non-paying bidder" accepting my dispute and confirming that they didn't pay for me to get my money back AND that I not leave negative feed back!! The buyer disappeared never to be heard from and I lost money and had to relist the item AND I couldn't leave negative feed back on the buyer! So the whole feedback system on ebay is a scam and is "fiddled" to give the impression that everything is hunky dory with the joyous ebay experience.

Also, don't get caught sending something "not registered" post or with some form of delivery confirmation to keep costs down for the buyer. Buyer gets the item, pretends they didn't get it and lodges Paypal claim. Paypal immediately pulls your funds, refunds the buyer, and the onus is on you to prove you sent it. You lose the money for the item, and you lose your item! Paypal sides on the buyers side.

I've had many, many fine ebay transactions. But once I saw how the dispute processes worked, and how long it takes to get your money back I lost all confidence in ebay and Paypal. Now I am reasonably cautious with my dealings. But for those obscure or dirt cheap items I still roll the dice, but I bid with that in mind. Your mileage may vary.

I understand what you are saying but you have to remember that you can get ripped off anywhere. In the case of your buyer disappearing, neither EBay nor PayPal have any control tho the fees should not be taken until the sale is confirmed. I think that EBay and PayPal at least try to impose safegaurds on what is a massive world wide concern.

I have had issues with my local GasWeld store. I bought a mig that would not feed the wire properly. I rang them suggesting I upgrade to a better welder. The response was I had no right to do this. I explained my rights, was again denied. I told them to ring and check my rights. When I took the mig in the salesperson told me he had rung and I was wrong and had no rights in this case. Having studied as an accountant I was well aware of the provisions of the Fair Trading Act and my rights. This is from a local long established business. I don't go there anymore.

EBay and PayPal gives you more protection than with most purchases. We are used to having big stores that will refund without question but if for example you but a product from a local store, which turns out to be faulty and the store refuses to refund, replace or repair then your only recourse is to go to consumer affairs. They do not have the power to enforce anything. They can only request. If that fails you have to take the issue to the small claims court with all the costs included with that action. That is only worth doing if the claim is substantial. This situation may vary with state.

The point is that if a seller wants to rip you off they can and it is very hard to do anything about it. It all depends on the sellers good nature and desire to remain in business, and this last requires very shonky actions generally. A lot of shonky businesses remain because most people will not admit being ripped off.

Dean

Back to C-tool,
I have bought a few things over the last 18 months or so from Michael(?)
I have not had anything like that end up on my doorstep, although the only cutting tools i have bought have been an M16 gun nose tap and a taper pin reamer. I have a few M&W mics from him, the 2 gauge stands i was referring to in BT's indicator thread https://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/to...ml#post1627877 as well as other odds and sods. I had planned to buy a 3/4 and 1" reamer from him in the near future. I think i will, but if there is any problems i will jump up and down.....

Andre said that he had been to the guys place, and there was stuff everywhere, some just rusting away in the backyard.

Cheers,
Ew

I received this response from the seller:

"Hi,
this is the only cutter of this size i have, but it took me long to sell this item, as it is a winter, my shed has a lot of moisture, so some of the exposed tools have become rusted.
Anyway it is my fault.
Can i refund you $10 for yours inconvenience
let me know and i will execute immediately.

thanks and sorry for the inconvenience
charles"

I think he's trying to buy positive feedback for $10. However, given some of the experiences described above, I'm thinking I should take the $10 and run. If I can't find someone to sharpen the mill for me I'll have a go myself using my Proxxon "mini tool post grinder".

$10???? So its still going to cost you $42 posted?
Charles, yes remember now, Michael is "goodoldtoolsforyou"

Yeah Ewan, $42 for the cutter if I take his tenner. Given the cost of a new one that might be a fair buy if I can get it sharpened for a reasonable cost. If not, this is what I thought I might use to try and sharpen it:

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If I were to mount the holder in the milling attachment I could set the grinder to any height or angle I need. Will start a new thread if i go that way.

Chris

edit: I found this video. I think one of our guys made it? How to sharpen a HSS end mill using a cheap pencil air die grinder - YouTube

Originally Posted by jack620

Chris

edit: I found this video. I think one of our guys made it? How to sharpen a HSS end mill using a cheap pencil air die grinder - YouTube

Yes, that's my little effort.

Had plenty of hits and no one's come back to say it doesn't work

You've got nothing to lose - the other option is to have it sharpened professionally, so even if you stuff up it makes no difference.

Rob

Well I boiled the tool in vinegar and scrubbed the surface rust off with a toothbrush. Then I used the method shown in Rob's video to sharpen the tool. It worked really well. I've accepted the seller's offer of a $10 refund. I would only buy from him again if I was sure the item was brand new.
Chris

I got the $10 refund. BTW "Charles" real name is Chong.

Nice recovery Chris, Rob's video is excellent as well.

Regards
Ray

Nice job Chris.
Now it does look as new.
Bruce

Chris those primary cutting edges are very wide. Sorry I didn't read this thread until now. Provided the shank fits in one of my collets I'm happy to sharpen it for you.

Pete

The relief looks the same as how it was when he received it to me.

Compare to the original photo posted.

Rob

Pete,
they are the same as they were when I got it. I only took a whisker off. It's possible the cutter has been incorrectly sharpened at some point. I've never owned and end mill this big, so I'm clueless as to the correct geometry of the edges. I'm not too concerned tho, because I will only be taking light cuts with it on my Hercus 260. I would be more worried if i was driving it hard it in a large milling machine.

Shank is 1". Thanks for the offer to sharpen, but I'll see how it goes as is first. What do you sharpen end mills with?

Chris

A bit late on the band wagon here chaps but over the years have found many e bay vendors do not have a clue about what they are selling. a drill is a drill to them a file is a file and a milling cutter well what are they? some thing you can chuck in your drawer with your files and drills.Disappointment has ensued here with arrival of good cutters becoming really bad cutters with thoughtless and mindless packing processes all banged up and rattling around.
Despite these set backs most purchases have been smooth and faultless. had some big files sent to me wouldnt even file ally. Same thing with requests on deaf ears ''stiff '' Unfortunately there are lots of ebay vendors out there can sell good stuff and others sell diamond encrusted scrap metal.
I always ensure that the packaging is done well and cutting tools wrapped well individually and tight minimising movement in the parcel nothing worse getting a ''kids rattle in a box from the post office. Dont forget our old latin mate Caveat Emptor. John.0.02 cents worth.

Ps had some goods delivered here once from an ebay purchase judging by the time it took to unwrap each piece the time taken to prepare this package with time costing money must have nearly out weighed the purchase price [[was from canada]. John.