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Thread: All hail the shaper gods!!
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28th April 2012, 08:56 PM #76Dave J Guest
Ouch, not good. Over the years many people have had trouble getting the mill power feed handles off because they are the same with 2 grub screws. It is a good idea as it lock the first one in place, but at the moment you don't think it's a good idea, LOL
Always something has to spoil a day, if your like me you are probably kicking yourself for not double checking.
You could also make a new one up as a weldment. As for welding that one back together I don't like your chances, but then again it might work.
Just thinking out load, what can you get some socket head bolts into it to bolt it back together? If so you could do that and then V it out slightly and weld it as well which should hold. There looks to be enough room to get a couple in each side at an angle.
Dave
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28th April 2012, 08:57 PM #77.
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The sound of something breaking is as bad as the feeling you have when you know the head of the bolt is going to snap off. ....... hideous.
Nice to see a man with a camera.
BT
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28th April 2012, 09:08 PM #78Senior Member
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trapped by the double grubs eh!
Hi Ueee,
Double grub screws, not uncommon, I always remove a grub screw completely just to make sure, and in a case like an old assembly it's a good place to squirt some penetrant into, (penetrant, sheesh , another word to add to the spell checker dictionary). I also check for any soft pad as some applications use a soft pad, copper or such, to protect the shaft.
When you bevel out the cast iron for brazing leave a bit of the cast break finish in the middle so you can set the pieces together and they will locate one to the other. I'd use nickel or manganese bronze, nickle being my favourite. To aid getting the pieces back in the right place, sometimes I'll vee out one side, braze it up then vee out the other side and then braze it up. Done reasonably correctly the braze repair will be stronger than the parent metal. With care you will be able to get the pieces back in to pretty good position.
You certainly getting along on it good.
Cheers.
On edit, Have now added favourite to the spell checker dictionary
If I'm not right, then I'm wrong, I'll just go bend some more bananas.Last edited by Log; 28th April 2012 at 09:18 PM. Reason: opps, spelt favourite the OTHER way, ha ha
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28th April 2012, 09:11 PM #79Pink 10EE owner
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Two grub screws one on top of the other is not uncommon.... I have come across it a number of times...
What is the name cast into the clutch plate? Is it Nuttall?Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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28th April 2012, 09:21 PM #80
I have never come across a double grub...but something tells me i will never have this problem again. Lesson learned!
Yes the clutch is a Nuttall, almost exactly the same as the one on Blondie. It is a 3 plate clutch, outers of cast sandwiching a floating inner of, um probably asbestos..... The inner can be seen to the right of the bit i broke, the four lugs key into the inside of the drive pulley. Could be that Nuttall made general engineering parts as well as machines? I'll have a squize at the gearbox tomorrow and see if i can see a manufacturer.
Ewan
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28th April 2012, 09:24 PM #81Dave J Guest
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28th April 2012, 09:27 PM #82
Actually, all the pics i show are from my phone....I got a new HTC smartphone last year for work. What it lacks in lens size and f stop (1.1 i think) it makes up for with software and 8mp.....
Its not so good in mixed light but great if you can control the lighting. It also has an twin LED flash
To add to that my real camera is what i consider to be a "real" one....a nikon f55 SLR.....Now really just a relic.
Ewan
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28th April 2012, 10:08 PM #83Senior Member
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Na sorry, only the previously posted ones. It's still outside covered in anti-corrosive and tarps.. Previous pics here
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/bo...57/index2.html
For non forum members who probably can't see the forum pics the pics are here
http://photobucket.com/Hydraulic_Metal_Planer
I'm waiting for a large milling machine, that's not mine, to be moved out of the shed then I'll be able to re-arrange stuff and slip the planer in. Unfortunately I'll then have to get a largish milling machine of my own.
Just got an old Servex 60 ton H frame press today so that also has to be squeezed in somewhere, eek, where?. I already have a 40 ton Manley H frame but just couldn't resist the Servex 60 , so tripple, and naturally it has to have work done on it.
Cheers.
If I'm not right, then I'm wrong, I'll just go bend some more bananas.
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28th April 2012, 10:26 PM #84Pink 10EE owner
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28th April 2012, 10:49 PM #85Distracted Member
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Cold comfort Ewan, but I bet most of us have broken things like that. I know I have. If it were me I would probably vee the joints, screw the bits on and take it to someone who welds stuff like this every day.
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28th April 2012, 11:37 PM #86.
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Not the usual mobile phone snapshots Ewan. Technology rockets along.
Anything Nikon made with an F prefix is sadly a relic now. I have an F, two F2s and an FM collecting dust. The 118 dollar Coolpix runs rings around them.
I've been caught out by the double grubscrew in a pulley, galled the buggery out of a shaft before I was aware of its presence. I was wondering why TF it was so hard to remove the pulley.
BT
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28th April 2012, 11:46 PM #87
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28th April 2012, 11:58 PM #88
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29th April 2012, 03:37 AM #89GOLD MEMBER
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Another good learning experienced enjoyed,just imagine if the dipstick didnt put it there and it came loose.
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29th April 2012, 09:36 PM #90
Hi,
Found out some useful stuff on PM, mainly the pages attached below of the Queen City shapers when first released in 1904/5. Looks as though my vice is original!
More work done today, mostly striping paint with the angle grinder and wire wheel....why is it that they are never balanced? My hands are still buzzing a bit.
Found the no 447 stamped in the top of the front of the ram. A serial # perhaps?
Second pic shows what i found under some paint. It is the arm that supports the outboard end of the drive shaft. I bet there were some loud curses echoing around the shop the day that happened!
Ewan
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