Thread: All hail the shaper gods!!

The sound of something breaking is as bad as the feeling you have when you know the head of the bolt is going to snap off. ....... hideous.

Nice to see a man with a camera.

BT

Hi Ueee,
Double grub screws, not uncommon, I always remove a grub screw completely just to make sure, and in a case like an old assembly it's a good place to squirt some penetrant into, (penetrant, sheesh , another word to add to the spell checker dictionary). I also check for any soft pad as some applications use a soft pad, copper or such, to protect the shaft.

When you bevel out the cast iron for brazing leave a bit of the cast break finish in the middle so you can set the pieces together and they will locate one to the other. I'd use nickel or manganese bronze, nickle being my favourite. To aid getting the pieces back in the right place, sometimes I'll vee out one side, braze it up then vee out the other side and then braze it up. Done reasonably correctly the braze repair will be stronger than the parent metal. With care you will be able to get the pieces back in to pretty good position.

You certainly getting along on it good.

Cheers.
On edit, Have now added favourite to the spell checker dictionary

If I'm not right, then I'm wrong, I'll just go bend some more bananas.

Two grub screws one on top of the other is not uncommon.... I have come across it a number of times...

What is the name cast into the clutch plate? Is it Nuttall?

Originally Posted by .RC.

Two grub screws one on top of the other is not uncommon.... I have come across it a number of times...

What is the name cast into the clutch plate? Is it Nuttall?

I have never come across a double grub...but something tells me i will never have this problem again. Lesson learned!

Yes the clutch is a Nuttall, almost exactly the same as the one on Blondie. It is a 3 plate clutch, outers of cast sandwiching a floating inner of, um probably asbestos..... The inner can be seen to the right of the bit i broke, the four lugs key into the inside of the drive pulley. Could be that Nuttall made general engineering parts as well as machines? I'll have a squize at the gearbox tomorrow and see if i can see a manufacturer.

Ewan

Originally Posted by Log

Hi Ueee,
Double grub screws, not uncommon, I always remove a grub screw completely just to make sure, and in a case like an old assembly it's a good place to squirt some penetrant into, (penetrant, sheesh , another word to add to the spell checker dictionary). I also check for any soft pad as some applications use a soft pad, copper or such, to protect the shaft.

When you bevel out the cast iron for brazing leave a bit of the cast break finish in the middle so you can set the pieces together and they will locate one to the other. I'd use nickel or manganese bronze, nickle being my favourite. To aid getting the pieces back in the right place, sometimes I'll vee out one side, braze it up then vee out the other side and then braze it up. Done reasonably correctly the braze repair will be stronger than the parent metal. With care you will be able to get the pieces back in to pretty good position.

You certainly getting along on it good.

Cheers.
On edit, Have now added favourite to the spell checker dictionary

If I'm not right, then I'm wrong, I'll just go bend some more bananas.

Do you have any pictures of that planner yet?

Dave

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

The sound of something breaking is as bad as the feeling you have when you know the head of the bolt is going to snap off. ....... hideous.

Nice to see a man with a camera.

BT

Actually, all the pics i show are from my phone....I got a new HTC smartphone last year for work. What it lacks in lens size and f stop (1.1 i think) it makes up for with software and 8mp.....
Its not so good in mixed light but great if you can control the lighting. It also has an twin LED flash

To add to that my real camera is what i consider to be a "real" one....a nikon f55 SLR.....Now really just a relic.

Ewan

Originally Posted by Dave J

Do you have any pictures of that planner yet?

Dave

Na sorry, only the previously posted ones. It's still outside covered in anti-corrosive and tarps.. Previous pics here
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/bo...57/index2.html

For non forum members who probably can't see the forum pics the pics are here
http://photobucket.com/Hydraulic_Metal_Planer

I'm waiting for a large milling machine, that's not mine, to be moved out of the shed then I'll be able to re-arrange stuff and slip the planer in. Unfortunately I'll then have to get a largish milling machine of my own.

Just got an old Servex 60 ton H frame press today so that also has to be squeezed in somewhere, eek, where?. I already have a 40 ton Manley H frame but just couldn't resist the Servex 60 , so tripple, and naturally it has to have work done on it.

Cheers.

If I'm not right, then I'm wrong, I'll just go bend some more bananas.

Originally Posted by Ueee

Could be that Nuttall made general engineering parts as well as machines?

Ewan

I would say nearly a certainty... They would probably have been a general engineering division within the parent company Nuttall Holdings (now owned by Santos)

Cold comfort Ewan, but I bet most of us have broken things like that. I know I have. If it were me I would probably vee the joints, screw the bits on and take it to someone who welds stuff like this every day.

Originally Posted by Ueee

Actually, all the pics i show are from my phone....I got a new HTC smartphone last year for work. What it lacks in lens size and f stop (1.1 i think) it makes up for with software and 8mp.....
Its not so good in mixed light but great if you can control the lighting. It also has an twin LED flash

To add to that my real camera is what i consider to be a "real" one....a nikon f55 SLR.....Now really just a relic.

Ewan

Not the usual mobile phone snapshots Ewan. Technology rockets along.

Anything Nikon made with an F prefix is sadly a relic now. I have an F, two F2s and an FM collecting dust. The 118 dollar Coolpix runs rings around them.

I've been caught out by the double grubscrew in a pulley, galled the buggery out of a shaft before I was aware of its presence. I was wondering why TF it was so hard to remove the pulley.

BT

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

I've been caught out by the double grubscrew in a pulley, galled the buggery out of a shaft before I was aware of its presence. I was wondering why TF it was so hard to remove the pulley.

BT

Having already had problems removing gears due to burred keys, thats all i though i was dealing with. Oh well. like i said before, today was definitely not wasted, I really did learn something useful.

Ewan

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

Not the usual mobile phone snapshots Ewan. Technology rockets along.

Anything Nikon made with an F prefix is sadly a relic now. I have an F, two F2s and an FM collecting dust. The 118 dollar Coolpix runs rings around them.

BT

The -.02 pic writing from the last page is only 4 or 5mm high, thats about as good as it gets...not bad for a lens 2 or 3mm across.

Another good learning experienced enjoyed,just imagine if the dipstick didnt put it there and it came loose.

Hi,
Found out some useful stuff on PM, mainly the pages attached below of the Queen City shapers when first released in 1904/5. Looks as though my vice is original!

More work done today, mostly striping paint with the angle grinder and wire wheel....why is it that they are never balanced? My hands are still buzzing a bit.
Found the no 447 stamped in the top of the front of the ram. A serial # perhaps?

Second pic shows what i found under some paint. It is the arm that supports the outboard end of the drive shaft. I bet there were some loud curses echoing around the shop the day that happened!





Ewan