Thread: Hardinge 5C Collet Brochure

Photocopies passport eh? Pas Moi, merci.

I have been hosed a couple of times by having stuff shipped DHL out of Europe. In both cases it took over eight weeks, €85 for 5 kilos. Thats got to be the worst value shipping in the world.

For those heavier items my only idea right now would be to try and find a good broker over here. I used to hear good things about Schenker, but I think they've been swallowed up by DB now, as has Bax Global, the other good broker that I used a few years ago.

I know the freight brokers will pay 1/10th of retail for air freight. How much of that they pass on I don't know, but it would have to be good to make it worthwhile.

Greg

Originally Posted by Hunch

Have a few concerns there!
Been asked by a overseas vendor for passport scans in the past, required by the freight company supposedly - rang the local agent and it was not in their policies.

That sounds a bit "dodgy brothers" to me!
Not being conversant in the language and having someone on the ground over there makes it difficult to know when your being taken for a ride.

I think I paid about 30-40 euro's for postage on the Wohlhaupter and then again on the Kuroda spares - and it was 53 euro's for the centricator postage.
On the few european things I've bought recently 30-40 euros seemed to be about the going rate.

F M ! That's hardly uplifting!

The 2 Spannpratzen Stufenpratzen I purchased early December are on their way(?) via DHL Packchen International. Maybe the seller's photo is all I'll get. I was getting all excited too.

Just in case it helps anyone: I speak, read and write German fluently.
Happy to translate specifics - but not books!

The phrase
"Leider spreche ich kein Deutsch, aber wenn Sie Englisch können - oder jemanden finden der Ihnen helfen kann - dann würde ich gerne mit Ihnen handeln. Sonst versuchen wir es eben mit dem Google, Bablefish oder reverso.net on-line Übersetzer."
should help with a German potential trading partner.

Joe

Thanks Joe, thats a very generous offer - I may require your services for the odd "higher precision" translation, from time to time.
I have learnt the odd trick on google translate, but certain more specialised technical terms (strangely enough) associated with machining can stump it.


Those look real nice Bob, what height capacity can they cater for?

Brian, I may have to BOLO for a suitable lathe faceplate to modify.

Greg, I know you would probably make something more utilitarian and useful than a clone of the deckel/riken original, so you probably wont require them but if you want any further dimensions dont hesitate to ask.

Originally Posted by BrianLara400*

Thanks Joe, thats a very generous offer - I may require your services for the odd "higher precision" translation, from time to time.
I have learnt the odd trick on google translate, but certain more specialised technical terms (strangely enough) associated with machining can stump it.


Those look real nice Bob, what height capacity can they cater for?


Greg, I know you would probably make something more utilitarian and useful than a clone of the deckel/riken original, so you probably wont require them but if you want any further dimensions dont hesitate to ask.

Thanks BL. It's back-burner for me, but I will grab any good 10" faceplate that I see for future use. There is another 2-jaw vise on GermBay right now that has the same mounting as our stuff. It's sitting at €63 right now:

PARALLEL SCHRAUBSTOCK DECKEL FP1 | eBay

Originally Posted by Greg Q

I have been hosed a couple of times by having stuff shipped DHL out of Europe. In both cases it took over eight weeks, €85 for 5 kilos. Thats got to be the worst value shipping in the world.

DHL does seem to have the euro zone locked up for air freight.

Last item I received, 100 euro for around 9kg, one and a half weeks, November I think? Thought it might be Poste Italiane, but 5kg seems to be the limit with them and can't remember what was on the box.

I'll disagree on worst value. Oz Post, which has gone through the roof in the last half dozen years and don't know about delivery times...$230 odd the cheapest, for the inverse journey....and yet the yanks can send that weight and then some, near enough identical distance from the east coast for under $50????

Originally Posted by Greg Q

For those heavier items my only idea right now would be to try and find a good broker over here.

Broker from this end, hadn't considered that! Usually the item in question is pick-up only, this guy was willing to send throughout Deutschland. Still be an act of faith, as the euros seem to think cardboard boxes and newspaper wadded up and it's good to go 16000 or 17000 km.

Originally Posted by BrianLara400*

That sounds a bit "dodgy brothers" to me!

Testimonials from Russia on that site, although there's crooks everywhere, has me more cautious.

Original supplier who asked for the scans was in that country, taking over the world, up North. They backpeddled when I informed them it wasn't company or Customs requirement, goods arrived OK.....and I'd already paid for them at that stage....maybe just me being paranoid.

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

The 2 Spannpratzen Stufenpratzen I purchased early December are on their way(?) via DHL Packchen International. Maybe the seller's photo is all I'll get. I was getting all excited too.

Among the usual Chinese dross table clamp sets at the auctions, surprisingly, have seen an increasing number of these coming up recently, as the old boys retire/go bust. Normally in the 4 to 6" range though.

Hunch, I haven't tried OzPost for outbound in many years, but now that you mention it I am not surprised they are so expensive. What is especially vexing is that air mail outbound is travelling on cargo planes that are a lot less full than they were inbound.

Here's another pisser: The Americans get those flat rate boxes free for the asking at their post offices. Ours charge around $3.50 for something not quite as good.*

*Mind you, the USPS is losing money hand over fist.

I sent Anorak Bob some more temptation overnight so he may soon have more data points for us

Greg

Originally Posted by Greg Q

*Mind you, the USPS is losing money hand over fist.

Only read snippets, thought there was some sort of govt redistribution scam happening à la water and electricity dividends of years past in NSW. Still can't imagine how it's profitable if both postal entities are supposed to get a cut for delivery - I won't be complaining though!

On the subject of scams, this one's a dozy, that I wasn't aware of - and I need to rant....

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f28/ov...chases-141242/

by coincidence, it popped up after a search while trying to work out my nice little post-Xmas pressie on the CC statement for a CTC purchase.

3% on the paypal transaction + 3% from those f@##$$% at HSBC, even though they didn't do any Fx.

Originally Posted by Greg Q

I sent Anorak Bob some more temptation overnight so he may soon have more data points for us

Bad boy!

Bill.

Originally Posted by Hunch

Only read snippets, thought there was some sort of govt redistribution scam happening à la water and electricity dividends of years past in NSW. Still can't imagine how it's profitable if both postal entities are supposed to get a cut for delivery - I won't be complaining though!

On the subject of scams, this one's a dozy, that I wasn't aware of - and I need to rant....

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f28/ov...chases-141242/

by coincidence, it popped up after a search while trying to work out my nice little post-Xmas pressie on the CC statement for a CTC purchase.

3% on the paypal transaction + 3% from those f@##$$% at HSBC, even though they didn't do any Fx.



Bad boy!

Bill.

Thanks for the head's up Hunch...I'll ditch my HSBC card tomorrow. This is what happens when the banksters own the politicians.

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Those look real nice Bob, what height capacity can they cater for?


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BL,

30 -75mm.


Here's the score with the UPA-2. Wohlhaupter offered it with either a 2 Morse taper arbor or straight shank arbors in 1/2 and 3/4 inch or 16 and 20mm sizes. On special order were Brown and Sharpe No.7 and SIP arbors.

The UPA-3 had more mounting options. 3 and 4 Morse, Moore taper, NMTB30, NMTB40, R8, 3/4 and 1" along with 16 and 20mm straight arbors. These options are as listed in a 1981 DAPRA brochure. Being an American distributor they exclude the Euro ISO, SK and SA tapers.

The DS interchangeable arbor system was only available for the UPA-3 to 5 sizes.

I had previously thought that Schaublin supplied a Swiss made Rawyler boring and facing head as an accessory. Turns out that it was a Kaiser made head. There is a Kaiser boring and facing head with a 30 taper arbor for sale on Ebay UK. The seller is trying to tip it over for $1400 AU. He reckons these Swiss jewels sold new for 3000 pounds. I don't need to bore and face that many holes.

BT

It would be good to have plenty of holes & facing to perform.
One would then feel a lot better about purchasing one of these treasures.
Justifying good gear is difficult.
One cannot have enough good tools."They will always be handy one day"
regards
Bruce

Hi Bob,
My wohlhaupter is the non-interchangeable arbour type. I dont recall if the autofeeding mechanism is available in the boring heads smaller than upa3 or equivalent.
It seems there isnt anyway around spending alot of money on these boring heads if they include any amount of original tooling accesories, let alone if they are boxed and complete (unfortunately that doesnt change be they Kuroda, Rohm, Lenz, Rawyler, DÁndrea etc). It just seems to be the going rate.

Greg your deckel FZA boring chuck, did you get much in the way of tooling etc with yours?
and back in the day did they come as a complete boxed kit etc? or did they just come as an item that people added ordered bits and bars for as required?

The FZA chuck was bare...it takes any old 10mm shank boring bar or 1/4" square tools. I'm looking for a set of Komet bars in 10mm to complete it, but I also have a UPA3 complete in box which came with my mill.

I only bought the FZA because it was badly described, hence cheap, and I like the idea of a very compact boring (only) head. It sticks out less than 35mm from the spindle.

BTW, the Wohlhaupter brochures I have show facing and autofeeding on all the models including the UPA1. The UPA2 is listed with a 135mm max diameter.

Greg