Thread: HAUSER 3SM

Originally Posted by RayG

As a long shot, you could try and contact the guy who setup this website.. http://sony-magnescale.com/ the links to DRO manuals go nowhere... but It looks as though he was planning to put the manuals on-line?

Ray

Hi Ray,
I found that guy but he didnt seem very friendly.
The same company as this site http://magnescale.industeq.com/.. missing manuals as well.
But they did lead me to this site, it seems the LM series were released in 1978 http://www.mgscale.com/mgs/language/...y/history.html

I'll email

Customer Support & Service Department

if I dont have any joy, no great hurry as yet

Stuart

Originally Posted by Stustoys

Hi Ray,
I found that guy but he didnt seem very friendly.
The same company as this site http://magnescale.industeq.com/.. missing manuals as well.
But they did lead me to this site, it seems the LM series were released in 1978 http://www.mgscale.com/mgs/language/...y/history.html

I'll email

Customer Support & Service Department

if I dont have any joy, no great hurry as yet

Stuart

Is there a problem with it, or are you just looking for installation type info... If there is a problem with it, I could be persuaded to take a look and see what can be done. Nice bit of gear, they are definately worth fixing.

Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Is there a problem with it, or are you just looking for installation type info... If there is a problem with it, I could be persuaded to take a look and see what can be done. Nice bit of gear, they are definately worth fixing.

Ray

Hi Ray,

Thank you for your kind offer but as yet that's not necessary. As best I can tell its working just fine, I just dont know what some of the "extra" buttons do. I can zero X Y, inc, abs and in/mm I think thats likely to cover most of my needs. I'm guessing the extras are just memory of hole locations.

Stuart

Had some time today. Went and bought a drum of DTE Heavy(I'm told heavy is what extra heavy used to be, which is what the manual calls for).
The manual also calls for rinsing the oil baths with kero, seems a little crazy. Filling it with kero and draining it seems like a waste of time........anyone??? I've only ever done this with the headstock on my lathe, at least there I could see what I was doing and get all the kero out. I had a coolant pump circulating kero so I could wash all the crud out the drain hole. But with these gearboxes there is only a 1/2 filling hole.

Will have to add an interlock switch on the Z lock lever. Mine doesn't have one and you can bet I'd forget to unlock it.

Stuart

p.s. Can I use DTE heavy in the gearbox of my bandsaw?

Kero is cheap and it will probably be twenty years since it was last cleaned and refilled. I'd do it Stu.

Did you have to buy a 20 litre drum of DTE?

Hi Bob,
Not the cost of the kero, more stirring up crud thats happily sitting on the bottom of the gearbox and not being able to get it all out. You have a point though and one must assume Hauser have a clue.

yeah I bought a 20l drum..... I had meant to check if the shaper used it as well but I forgot that part

Stuart

Originally Posted by Stustoys

Hi Bob,
Not the cost of the kero, more stirring up crud thats happily sitting on the bottom of the gearbox and not being able to get it all out. You have a point though and one must assume Hauser have a clue.

yeah I bought a 20l drum..... I had meant to check if the shaper used it as well but I forgot that part

Stuart

20 litres will keep you going for some time Stu.

I purchased a drum of DTE Heavy Medium and one of Vactra II only to be informed post purchase by Greg Q that Mobil had changed the Vactra properties and that there were better way oils available.

I've always had some doubt in my mind about the Heavy Medium. I bought it because Steve Durden at Hercus told me that they use ISO 68 hydraulic oil as lathe spindle lubricant and I figured my 50 year old mill would probably benefit from using a heavier oil than the DTE Light ( ISO 22) specified in the service manual. I discussed the substitution with a technical adviser at Mobil and he went along with my idea but then why wouldn't he. The mill isn't worn out, if I could purchase a quantity of Light less than 20 litres I too would be sloshing the Kero about and giving the mill an oil change.

Got any Light?

BT

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

Got any Light?

BT

Hi BT,

We use a bit of Western Oil Waylube Light, at least a couple of 20L drums each year, the automatic system on the surface grinder uses a lot. If you want I can post you a few liters?

Ray

PS... http://www.westernoil.com.au/admin/P...%20WAYLUBE.pdf

At 1400kgs, there will be no sloshing lol

Well now I wonder if I've be led up the garden path. I was told that there was no such thing as DTE extra heavy anymore and it has be changed to DTE Heavy.......Seems Mobil disagree.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...aspx?Print=yes

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...DTE_Named.aspx

No DTE light (I think I use loma 32)


Stuart

Originally Posted by RayG

Hi BT,

We use a bit of Western Oil Waylube Light, at least a couple of 20L drums each year, the automatic system on the surface grinder uses a lot. If you want I can post you a few liters?

Ray

PS... http://www.westernoil.com.au/admin/P...%20WAYLUBE.pdf

Hello Ray,

Thank you for your generous offer. I am keen to try an alternative. How about I post over a small Parcel Post bag suitable for a couple of hundred mil of the stuff, sufficient to glean if it appears to be an improvement on the Vactra?

Originally Posted by Stustoys

At 1400kgs, there will be no sloshing lol

Well now I wonder if I've be led up the garden path. I was told that there was no such thing as DTE extra heavy anymore and it has be changed to DTE Heavy.......Seems Mobil disagree.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...aspx?Print=yes

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...DTE_Named.aspx

No DTE light (I think I use loma 32)


Stuart

Stu,

This comment about clearances is making me question my Heavy Medium choice.

• Mobil DTE Oil Extra Heavy and BB can also be used in hydraulic systems employing gear, vane, radial and axial piston pumps where anti-wear hydraulic fluids are required and clearances are relatively large

I don't imagine it is much of an issue in the 13's spindles and gearboxes but the ways are all lubricated with the same oil as per the manufacturer's instructions.

BT

Well I went and talked to they guys at the oil shop. DTE heavy going back(Mobil dont list it in Aus, the're pretty sure they could get it but only in 205I) . Shell product "something" 150 coming in a couple of days. Granted given the use its going to get I'm unlikely to notice the difference, but I'll sleep better

Not sure what you mean BT.

Stuart

P.s. while I've got you here BT, what the Max tool height you can get on your holders?

Originally Posted by Stustoys

Well I went and talked to they guys at the oil shop. DTE heavy going back(Mobil dont list it in Aus, the're pretty sure they could get it but only in 205I) . Shell product "something" 150 coming in a couple of days. Granted given the use its going to get I'm unlikely to notice the difference, but I'll sleep better

Not sure what you mean BT.

Stuart

P.s. while I've got you here BT, what the Max tool height you can get on your holders?

If you are refering to the clearance comment Stu, you wouldn't lube a Swiss watch with engine oil. Strangely though in the case of the 13, which doesn't have central oiling , the same oil is used in all 15 or so nipples. Way oil could be used but Schaublin chose otherwise.


Answering the PS question is tricky. From the universal table to the face of the spindle excluding drive dogs is a bitty 248mm. I do have some direct fit ISO 30 collets that do not project past the spindle face more than a few millimeters. The maximum size collet I have is 12mm. Then I have a selection of ER holders, the shortest of which is a ER25 Rego Fix which would project maybe 40mm beyond the face. The Clarkson Autolock intermediate chuck and the ER40 chuck are obviously space consumers, they probably project 80mm or thereabouts. Add a cutter and hey presto, there's no room for the job.

BT

Got you now. While I can see one oil would be a handy thing, I do think on my lathe I can feel the difference with way oil...... but then having spent $120ish on a 20I drum I could well be kidding myself and it may simply be a different viscosity. If Schaublin thinks its "close enough" on their machines I'd have to agree

Oops sorry, I meant on your lathe. something a little over 14mm I'm hoping.

Stuart

A bit over 14 Stu.

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