Thread: Anyone Heard of this Brand?

Originally Posted by RayG

Does anyone recognize this machine brand?
CNC milling machine, Metha (Espana), Model MB-45.D



Ray

Looks like Greys spell check gets it wrong again.

Looks like a Metba.

Metba - Distribution of original spare parts for Metba milling machines

John

Originally Posted by GuzziJohn

Looks like Greys spell check gets it wrong again.

Looks like a Metba.

Metba - Distribution of original spare parts for Metba milling machines

John

Thanks John,

The style of the mill looks a bit like more "Euro" than sub continent .. I think that operation (the factory being liquidated) is re-locating to India anyway..

Regards
Ray

After a bit more research, (now that we know what brand to look for, thanks John! ) this appears to be the manual version of the machine in question.





Comparing the two, it wasn't clear how the Z axis movement would work, finally we found a youtube video of the Metba MB50 which unravelled the mystery, the column moves up and down Interesting idea, the table never moves... and you can remove the box section for extra Z axis space. Now I have to go look at Maho M700 and Deckel FP4NC's again...



Regards
Ray

That's like a beefier version of a Deckel FP3L...the fixed bed, travelling column machines. You don't see those much becasue universal toolmaker's mills were Deckel's forte.

You will dismayed to learn that a babied Maho MH700 sold in a nearby ex-colony three months ago for two grand. Come to think of it, big Maho mills don't seem to fetch much on either Gray's or ebay. It would take some kind of electronics guru to own one of those. Oh, wait...

Greg

Loved the video Ray. This guy made me look good. I think I have motion sickness now
They say a travelling head shaper is more accurate because the work piece doesn't move. I wonder if the same principle works with the mill.

Phil

Nothing wrong with your video's Phil, did you see the one where the camera zoom sound drowned out the machine.... ( EDIT here it is Universal milling machine Metba - www.sk-maschinen.de - YouTube love that zoom )

Thanks GQ, With your extensive knowledge of all things Deckel do you know if the FP4NC can do simultaneous X and Z moves? Josh assures me that the drive motor is shared between multiple axes which would make XZ moves impossible..?

I looked at some pictures of the FP3L, with the 45 degree bed... strange people these Deckel designers...

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Nothing wrong with your video's Phil, did you see the one where the camera zoom sound drowned out the machine.... ( EDIT here it is Universal milling machine Metba - www.sk-maschinen.de - YouTube love that zoom )

Thanks GQ, With your extensive knowledge of all things Deckel do you know if the FP4NC can do simultaneous X and Z moves? Josh assures me that the drive motor is shared between multiple axes which would make XZ moves impossible..?

I looked at some pictures of the FP3L, with the 45 degree bed... strange people these Deckel designers...

Regards
Ray

hi Ray...I think that the very last iteration of the FP4NC may have had independant axis feed motors...I will have to consult my literature. The early ones were point to point machines, but they had a strong conversational control. The Deckel is complex as hell owing to the gear shifting servos for spindle speed control, the single feed motor and complex feed gear box.

it is said that if you are going to buy an old NC Deckel you had better buy two working ones so that you can have a source of troubleshooting parts for the inevitable failures.

Greg

Originally Posted by Greg Q

hi Ray...I think that the very last iteration of the FP4NC may have had independant axis feed motors...I will have to consult my literature. The early ones were point to point machines, but they had a strong conversational control. The Deckel is complex as hell owing to the gear shifting servos for spindle speed control, the single feed motor and complex feed gear box.

it is said that if you are going to buy an old NC Deckel you had better buy two working ones so that you can have a source of troubleshooting parts for the inevitable failures.

Greg

Muchas Gracias el Gregor,

That seems to gel with what we are finding out, and that being Dialog 11 machines seem to have independant axis movement, but some earlier ones not, nyet, nein, de ninguna manera

Just while we are on the Deckel NC subject... there's some good literature to be found here .. Home - Deckel NC Milling Machine Web Site


The Maho's servo gear change mechanism is complex as well, here's Nick's MH 700 gear change in operation MAHO MH 700 C retrofit w. EMC / p#2 - YouTube

Regards
Ray