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Thread: Maho MH700 Mill
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17th December 2013, 09:24 PM #1Senior Member
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Maho MH700 Mill
Just back from Ballarat with a Maho MH700 on the back of a hire truck.
When the mill was first listed on ebay I put it in my watch list. As I am flat out building my house I did not go and have a look at the mill as I was expecting it to sell for more than the starting bid. I was then surprised when it did not attract a bid. When it was re listed I saved it again and forgot about it until an email alert came that it was ending. When I checked out the listing it still did not have a bid, so I gave the guy a call.
When I called and asked if the mill could be powered up the guy said sure I will just turn it on! And a motor started up in the background...He then mentioned that a guy who had serviced his CNC mill that day had had a look at it. I said "would the guys name be Phil.....Yes it is how did you know....
I then got off the phone and tracked down Phil (Mactool's) number via Phil (Steamwisper). Phil's assessment was that the mill was in pretty good condition for its age. The ways still show their original scraping marks and there is no scoring of the ways. All the speeds and feeds work and the head and gear box was not noisy. The only issues where that the horizontal arbor support is missing and the y axis rapid release is a bit sticky. Needs a good clean but Phil is surprised it has not sold. Defiantly worth a look....but the auction ends in two hours.
I let the auction end and call the guy the next morning to organise an inspection after work. I have never seen a Deckel or Maho in the flesh and am very impressed with the German engineering. This thing is beautifully made and in good condition. After negotiating I buy the mill for $3100 and a Wohlhaupter UPA3 boring head and an Japanese Eron Kurt style vice for an additional $500. The tooling budget is like the Australian federal budget, but I am set for life with my new mill and very happy.
A big thank you to Phil Mactool for his advice as I would have been very nervous making such a large purchase based on my very limited experience. Thanks also to Craig the seller for his help loading and securing the mill and for loaning me a large steel bar and slings to get it off at the other end.
Only problem now is I need to build my new shed with 3 phase power before I can use the mill.
Cheers
Piers
PS. If anyone has any info on the Maho 700 are any manuals please let me know.image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg
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17th December 2013, 09:37 PM #2
Well done Piers, you should be very happy with her. I'ts a certain bet then you didn't buy the Vernier you were asking me about.....i think the Maho will be (nearly-but i'm not biased) as good.
Was there an issue with a bearing cover or something? Toggy mentioned it at some stage.
What is its envelope, speeds etc?
Cheers,
Ew1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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17th December 2013, 10:11 PM #3SENIOR MEMBER
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Ew,
I see from Piers photos that the spindle cover is back on. Those Gamet bearings under it and the spindle that spooked me. Also if the seller had of been more co-operative and not so sparing with his words he have may well have sold it long ago to the detriment of my bank balance.
Congrats to Piers.
Ken
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18th December 2013, 09:38 PM #4Senior Member
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Speeds and feeds
Hi Ew,
I could not make it to the inspection for the Vernier mill so I let it go. It went for 1300 plus fees.
acording to the seller the powered travel is X 500 Y 320 Z 400. There is also an additional 200mm of Y manual travel on the table from what I can see.
The table tilts in two planes and the whole table top is a rotary table so that saves me the expense of a new rotary table...
18 Speeds from 32 to 1600 rpm
18 feeds from 10 to 500 mm/min
Photos of the speeds and feeds attached. Does anyone know what the knob under the feeds chart is for? Only noticed it now and the mill is a friends work so I can't easily check it out...
Cheers
Piers
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20th December 2013, 10:05 AM #5
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I'm guessing it's selecting between hi and low speed feed ranges on the gearbox? But I can't relate that to the icons?
Either that or switching between vertical feed and horizontal?
Nice machine by the way. I will follow the restoration with interest.
Regards
Ray
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20th December 2013, 11:08 AM #6Pink 10EE owner
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Could be an oil filler port...
Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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20th December 2013, 06:12 PM #7Senior Member
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Thanks Ray and RC for your ideas. Looking at the attached photo low/high range is selected with the first knob on the left. I think RC might be correct but the icons don't make much sense.
Has anyone heard of a Sydney company called Metalex? Apparently the mill came from Sydney.
Cheers
Piers
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20th December 2013, 07:10 PM #8Pink 10EE owner
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It is pretty simple actually.... You have two ranges... As you say the left side knob that has two positions, that is the range....
Then you use the colour coding on the next two to get the spindle speed..... blue. blue gets you one speed, then blue, red the next speed.. Then blue, yellow the next speed and so on and so on....
For the lower set which is the table feeds it is the same...
You will notice two sets of numbers though, that is because the x and y speeds are not the same, but geared differently in the saddle... Just like on a lathe, the longitudinal feed and cross feeds are never the same amounts....
And I am even more certain those black knobs are oil filler holes...
And Metalex, could very well be a previous owner of the machine, some of those big companies that owned machines had their own plate to put on them and an asset number...Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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20th December 2013, 07:13 PM #9GOLD MEMBER
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20th December 2013, 07:14 PM #10Philomath in training
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21st December 2013, 12:49 AM #11
Thats what i think too, just going by where the oil level sight glass is and there doesn't seem to be an obvious filler cap anywhere else. The symbol on the left could look like a funnel with something being pored into it....or not
But then i agree with Michael, that sure looks like the symbol for clutch on the right.....
Ew
On edit, found something....may or may not be of use Maho MH600 : Fraiseuses - Usinages1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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21st December 2013, 01:37 AM #12GOLD MEMBER
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wow
well done. how fun. what a fantastic looking machine.
a decent size to.
I want a universal table
what are you going to make with it
aaron
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21st December 2013, 09:47 PM #13Senior Member
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Mill Projects
Thanks guys for your input.
Ew, I had not come across that page in my searches, thanks. I have found virtually nothing on the web about 1970's MH 700's
Aaron, apart from the the usual list of things on the to build list, the main jobs for the mill are building jigs and suspension parts my Lancia 037 replica.
One job that the tilting and rotary table will come in very handy for is the lower control arms. See link
Trapecio inferior delantero - Lancia 037 Teo Martín Motorsport
If I can work my way up to this level of machining the mill will pay for itself with just these parts alone.......
Cheers
Piers
some more photos of the Mill. table damage, name plate and nice dial gauge to enable you to return the table to a precise location after using the rotary table. There are also the same gauges on the two tilting axis of the table.
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21st December 2013, 10:07 PM #14
There are some fantastic pics of all sorts of nice machines on that forum, if you know a little French it is not too bad to navigate.
That dial is a Kafer, they are beautifully made German dials, every bit as good as Mahr IMHO. Then there is the H&K badge, another German company, i guess they had there own importers here. I'd say Metalex would be one of the previous owners. H&K made their own version of the FP1 at one stage, but with a reeves drive. Page Title I have a little H&K 1um dial gauge bought new not so long ago.
Enough waffling,
Ew1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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21st December 2013, 11:32 PM #15GOLD MEMBER
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mill
great plan. hot looking car to. is that going to drive on the road?
Ive neever seen one of these mills but it looks kita.
the table damage is a shame. Any plans to fix that or are you
going to just live with it. My deckel has some similar damage.
have fun
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