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    I have a problem with the formulae shown here

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=m...ml%3B324%3B268

    T=S-D * (2.732)

    If S is 2"
    D is .25"
    and the other crap is 2.732 for a 60 degree cutter

    how can T be bigger than S

    what am I missing here...besides my marbles

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    Hi Richard,
    i'm not even going to try to work it out, try this program, it does all the hard work for you.

    http://home.scarlet.be/mini-draaien-...rogram-01.html

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    I think it should be T=S-(D*2.732), giving you 1.317"

    The shop calc says.......1.317".....

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    For the "Other crap", I got (A stupid answer because I have fat fingers)

    I did it as 1+(1/tan(30))

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottyd View Post
    For the "Other crap", I got 1.01135.

    I did it as 1+(1/tan(30))
    You need to use cotan not tan, most calculators don't have cotan, to use tan you just have to use the supplementary angle, so 60 not 30.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskimo View Post
    I have a problem with the formulae shown here

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=m...ml%3B324%3B268

    T=S-D * (2.732)

    If S is 2"
    D is .25"
    and the other crap is 2.732 for a 60 degree cutter

    how can T be bigger than S

    what am I missing here...besides my marbles
    T isn't bigger than S???
    If you continue D times 2.732 = .683
    so T = 2 - .683 = 1.317

    the order you do the math functions in * then / then + and then - (unless there are brackets)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ueee View Post
    You need to use cotan not tan, most calculators don't have cotan, to use tan you just have to use the supplementary angle, so 60 not 30.....

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    cot(n) = 1/tan(n)

    I just realised I pressed the wrong button twice in a row for my previous post, so the "other crap" is correct. Ill remove my previous post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by _fly_ View Post
    T isn't bigger than S???
    If you continue D times 2.732 = .683
    so T = 2 - .683 = 1.317

    the order you do the math functions in * then / then + and then - (unless there are brackets)
    Thanks fly

    seems I was missing something...an education in maths and parenthisis..is that the word?

    I like you formulae better Ueee...i knew that the bit in brakets must first be worked out on the order of the other stuff (didnt know might be better answer, but I am sure I was told at some stage but probablymust have been talking at that moment)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottyd View Post
    cot(n) = 1/tan(n)

    I just realised I pressed the wrong button twice in a row for my previous post, so the "other crap" is correct. Ill remove my previous post...
    Well that would be why its not on most calculators.....thanks, i'll try to remember that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by _fly_ View Post
    T isn't bigger than S???
    If you continue D times 2.732 = .683
    so T = 2 - .683 = 1.317

    the order you do the math functions in * then / then + and then - (unless there are brackets)
    BODMAS is how you remember it. However a common misconseption is to consider every item in this exact order. I am not sure how much difference it makes but a better way to represent it would be BO(DM)(AS) where the functions in brackets should be performed in the order they occur in the formula. ie It does not matter whether you divide or multiply first. You get the same result. 6*3/2=9 3/2*6=9 Ditto with add/subtract.

    Brackets (parenthesis)
    Order
    Division
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    Addition
    Subtraction

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldneweng View Post
    BODMAS is how you remember it. However a common misconseption is to consider every item in this exact order. I am not sure how much difference it makes but a better way to represent it would be BO(DM)(AS) where the functions in brackets should be performed in the order they occur in the formula. ie It does not matter whether you divide or multiply first. You get the same result. 6*3/2=9 3/2*6=9 Ditto with add/subtract.

    Brackets (parenthesis)
    Order
    Division
    Multiplication
    Addition
    Subtraction

    Cheers

    Dean
    how am I gunna remember that..lol

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