Thread: thoughts on this mill

Are there any things. I should look at when. I view them

Here is a guide that has been around for a while
Advice On Inspecting A Milling Machine

If you search the forum there will be other threads on it.

Dave

Hi Andre,

I have a giant horiztontal mill, its a 50 taper and weighs nearly 2000kgs. You can do anything you can do on a vertical mill on one of these, but as was pointed out earlier visibility can be a problem at times, and workholding can be difficult too.

Re whether to sell your small mill to buy this one - i would say no. Im actually going to be selling my mill to get a smaller benchtop mill drill as my big old girl takes up too much real estate in my shed, and its in imperial. I dont know about you but I find it very difficult working in imperial when all my other tools (including my lathe) are in metric.

Re putting a vertical head on a horizontal mill - youd have to be extremely lucky to get out of trouble for 1000....I would have thought it would be nearly double that. Still, if you do it you'll have an extremely capable machine...my beast is very rigid and powerful. It will take a 10mm wide 10mm deep cut through mild steel without even groaning.

Brendan

Welder,

Basic 3hp/2.2kW VSD's now go for about $120 so being 3 phase isnt the issue it once was. (assuming of course that they are 3hp or less mills)

Brendan,
You just need a bigger shed

Or acustom yourself with converting Metric to Imperial and vice a versa.
You do have a calculator?

Originally Posted by 19brendan81

Hi Andre,

I have a giant horiztontal mill, its a 50 taper and weighs nearly 2000kgs. You can do anything you can do on a vertical mill on one of these, but as was pointed out earlier visibility can be a problem at times, and workholding can be difficult too.

Re whether to sell your small mill to buy this one - i would say no. Im actually going to be selling my mill to get a smaller benchtop mill drill as my big old girl takes up too much real estate in my shed, and its in imperial. I dont know about you but I find it very difficult working in imperial when all my other tools (including my lathe) are in metric.

Re putting a vertical head on a horizontal mill - youd have to be extremely lucky to get out of trouble for 1000....I would have thought it would be nearly double that. Still, if you do it you'll have an extremely capable machine...my beast is very rigid and powerful. It will take a 10mm wide 10mm deep cut through mild steel without even groaning.

Brendan

Buy a 2 axis DRO. Problem solved. You'll never solve the problem of insufficient power if you go to a bench mill.

I have 2 vertical heads for my Victoria horizontal mill. One of these days I'll fit one.

Wouldn't sell the small mill though. Having 2 is good. Saves tearing down a setup when you've got a quick job to do. Amazing how often something ends up on the critical path. Of course it wouldn't with better planning, but if I wanted to be that thorough I'd still have a job.

PDW

Well I had a look they are pretty nice machines almost no backlash the. Cincinnati is. Nice. It has a 40 int spindle taper it is a filmatic if any one has any info. I will post some. Bad quality phone photos later.

I think Cash is an Aussie make, and the ones I've seen were small. No listing on Lathes.co.uk. A Cinci vertical would be pretty desirable if it's in good nick, though it may not be as versatile as a turret type. Will await your report. BTW is your . key sticky or something?

PS: Google seems to think a Filmatic is a centreless grinder.

Andre, my horizontal mill is a Cash. They were made in Richmond, Melbourne, in the 40s.
The biggest nuiscance is the spindle taper is MT4 - a bitch to get anything out off...

Joe

some phone pics

Originally Posted by welder

some phone pics

Buy them both & sort it out later.

Not sure you've said but if that Cincy has the rotary table pictured in the brochure and the machine is in good shape, I'd have it straight away. If it uses common tooling in its spindle (40 International would be great) even better. If not, you can make something to hold an ER32 or ER40 collet chuck and that'll cover a lot of work.

It looks like it has a quill which is good. Head slides in & out on dovetails, good, can make full use of the table. No nod or tilt like a turret mill, so what, you lose some flexibility on setups but you gain a lot of rigidity. I hate moving the head on my B/port anyway, made a big tilting angle plate instead.

I'd say that Cincy is a special-purpose machine and something of an oddball. That makes it interesting and useful, if it suits the work you have in mind. If not, send it to me and I'll put it in the corner & use it once every 2 or 3 years.

Edit: went back & read your earlier postings. For $1200 with the tooling and the Cincy being 40 Int taper, buy them both. If you don't want the Cincy & it's in functional condition I'll buy it off of you or work out some sort of trade - serious offer.

PDW

no the cincinatti does not come with the rotary table on it but it does have x axis power feed and 20 liters of cutting oil. it has 6 endmill holders. the machine weight 1700l lbs. i am quite interested in the cash mill although my father is not as he does not want e to buy another machine that does the same as my current machine. he doesn't want to have tons of machines in the shed when i move out.

The baby Cinci is cute as. Can you confirm it has a quill? If so I would buy them and sell the mill-drill if that makes your Dad happy. (Why wouldn't you take your machines with you anyway?). I would think the combination of those two machines would be much more useful than a mill drill. 1700 lb ain't much - under 800 kg. Just hire a tandem trailer and an engine crane to lift it off. You can just lift it and drive the trailer away. Drop it - I mean lower it - onto some pipe rollers to get it in position.

Edit: The only concern I have about the Cinci is it doesn't appear to have a knee, and no way to raise and lower the head that I can see. That could be limiting.

yeah the cincinatti has a quill. I would take take my machines with me if i bought a home but if i go work in the mine for a few years that's not really an option. I a not worried about moving them as my neighbor has a 7x5 braked trailer as well as a car trailer. the problem is my dad doesn't want me to get them as i have no use for them