Thread: my first mill

Originally Posted by azzrock

josh thanks so much for all that deckel literature. your a champ.

No problem.

opps i didn't mean the mk4 taper. that's the horizontal taper size.
what i meant was the Collete that fit direct int the vertical head.
is it 3555e?

That vintage FP1 should be a morse taper four spindle. The germans abreviate that to MK4. As josh points out, the tooling all has the S20 x 2 buttress thread, unles you make up new drawbars.

What's the deal with the overarm support? Who else is he going to sell it to? Offer him $100.00. It is a nescessary (imho) part of the mill. With 2 hp and gearing you can run some pretty hefty cutters in the horizontal spindle.

For collets you have three choices: Deckel made a proprietary collet common to their SO grinders. You can run this in either spindle with a morse four adapter. Otherwise, you can purcha$e morse four collets from RC Machines in Luxembourg. The other option is to buy a couple of morse4:ER40 collet chucks with M16 thread. You can purchase adapters for deckels that have the Deckel thread married to an M16 stud...these just screw into standard tooling with M16 female threads.

Option three is both cheapest and most versatile, but it will cost you some headroom under the spindle.

Great purchase. I am sure that you'll be happy with it.

Greg

[QUOTE=Greg Q;1682073]That vintage FP1 should be a morse taper four spindle. The germans abreviate that to MK4. As josh points out, the tooling all has the S20 x 2 buttress thread, unles you make up new drawbars.

What's the deal with the overarm support? Who else is he going to sell it to? Offer him $100.00. It is a nescessary (imho) part of the mill. With 2 hp and gearing you can run some pretty hefty cutters in the horizontal spindle.

For collets you have three choices: Deckel made a proprietary collet common to their SO grinders. You can run this in either spindle with a morse four adapter. Otherwise, you can purcha$e morse four collets from RC Machines in Luxembourg. The other option is to buy a couple of morse4:ER40 collet chucks with M16 thread. You can purchase adapters for deckels that have the Deckel thread married to an M16 stud...these just screw into standard tooling with M16 female threads.

Option three is both cheapest and most versatile, but it will cost you some headroom under the spindle.

Great purchase. I am sure that you'll be happy with it.



ok thanks Greg i like the sound of $100 instead of 350. the guy told lme he has 3 deckels.
ok is it normal for the horizontal and the vertical spindle to have different tappers
i checked the horizontal by putting a mt4 dead center in it. the vertical spindle is a fair bit smaller.here is a photo.
SAM_0772.jpg
aaron

Originally Posted by Greg Q

...................Otherwise, you can purcha$e morse four collets from RC Machines in Luxembourg.

Greg

Ever purchase anything from RC Machines GQ? I asked them about posting a Morse 2 to W20 adapter to B'town. 46 Euros and the adapter cost 19. Bit smaller than a 3 to 2 Morse sleeve. I'm still trying to figure out a more economical route.

BT

The vertical head as shown has the deckel collet:morse four adapter installed, that's why it is measuring smaller. You chould be able to turn that DIN nut clockwise to make the adapter pop out of the morse taper. Your Deckel journey will include several hook spanners for just such duties.

You are lucky to have found that vintage machine with the selectable feed speeds. (As opposed to the earlier change gears). Yours is the first FP1 that I have seen in Australia of that vintage (which goes from about 1951-1960 or so. ) Once the FP2 was introduced in 1952 it seems that there were fewer FP1 machines sold.

My theory on that is Deckel buyers had d-e-e-e-e-p pockets, and likely had no problem paying the slightly (50%) higher price for the FP2.

Its a great mill...at least as good as a Bridgeport in half the footprint.

Greg

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

Ever purchase anything from RC Machines GQ? I asked them about posting a Morse 2 to W20 adapter to B'town. 46 Euros and the adapter cost 19. Bit smaller than a 3 to 2 Morse sleeve. I'm still trying to figure out a more economical route.

BT

Yeah, I have placed a couple of orders with them. On both occasions I was quoted proctologist level postage. After a plea for mercy they relented and found a cheaper postage option. I am trying to ignore the siren song of the complete SK40 collet set for the FP2.

By the way....some of there stuff is Chinois, but quality Chinois.

Given the workings of international postage, mail from Luxembourg should be about as cheap as it gets: they have a tiny geographical area, and hence minuscule inbound delivery costs compared to OzPost, for example.

GQ, tired and cranky after a day preparing most of my fine machines for sale. I expect offers on both before the end of next week if anyone reading this wants to spend their children's inheritance on a euro mill.

Originally Posted by Greg Q

Yeah, I have placed a couple of orders with them. On both occasions I was quoted proctologist level postage. After a plea for mercy they relented and found a cheaper postage option. I am trying to ignore the siren song of the complete SK40 collet set for the FP2.

By the way....some of there stuff is Chinois, but quality Chinois.

Given the workings of international postage, mail from Luxembourg should be about as cheap as it gets: they have a tiny geographical area, and hence minuscule inbound delivery costs compared to OzPost, for example.

GQ, tired and cranky after a day preparing most of my fine machines for sale. I expect offers on both before the end of next week if anyone reading this wants to spend their children's inheritance on a euro mill.

What's going, the 1 and the 2 or the 1 and the 3?

BT, Aaron,

The one purchase I've made from rc-machines has yet to arrive, it was out of stock. but here's a tip as far as postage goes..

Open up a shipito account and get rc-machines to ship to the Austrian address. It's handy to have for ebay sales that only ship to eu addresses as well.

Waiting with bated breath to see what goodies GQ has to sell... spending Josh's inheritance is something I can get used to...

Back to Deckel S20x2 adaptors, there's always this guy http://www.gizmowizard.com/deckeldap...ter_thread.htm to make whatever adaptor you might want.

Regards
Ray

hi guys and thanks for the input.Ill try pop that adapter out tomorrow. I have a good selection of hook spanners
and now they finally may get some use.
Regarding RC machines and postage a Friend of mines dad lives in Holland and has his own frease machine.
So maybe he could relay some items for me.
I knew very little about these machines when i jumped in and brought it i just thought i wanted a mill
and how could i go wrong with this one. Plus the dro was added a bonus
greg bt and ray thanks a lot very informative as usual.
here is a few more pics the first shows the wiring mess to figure out and neaten up .
SAM_0768.jpg

the other is a peek in the top of the machine.

SAM_0765.jpg
aaron

Originally Posted by Greg Q

Its a great mill...at least as good as a Bridgeport in half the footprint.
Greg

Well..... better built, more rigid and more capable of easily doing funny angled cuts than a B/port, sure.....

..... as long as you don't want to mill anything longer than 250mm in X.

My B/port can do 600mm in X. Even my small horizontal mill has 400mm of X travel.

That's the sticking point for me - the work envelope is too small for the routine stuff I do.

PDW

That's all very true...but you are one of the few guys I know who does work on big pieces. For the shoe box sized objects that I will likely max out on, the FP1 isn't limiting.

For guys doing he-man sized projects there's always the FP4 and larger Maho mills.

GQ

Just for reference: work envelopes of the various Deckel Models ( X,Y,Z)

FP1 12" x 6" x 12" ** MK4 **
FP2 16" x 8" x 16" ** SK40**
FP3 20" x 12" x 15" ** SK40**
FP4 28" x 16" x 18" ** SK40**
FP3L 32"x 12" x 16" ** SK40**
FP33 40"x 16" x 24" ** ST50**
FP4L 48"x 16" x 18" ** SK40**


FP1 is no slouch when it comes to work envelope especially when you consider the tiny footprint.

The FP33 also comes with a 7.5 HP motor.. nice little monster

Regards
Ray

Arron,
A bit of a belated response to BT's tag, have been on the road. Not a lot more I can add on the FP-1 from what has already been posted, except on getting the SK adapter out of the head spindle, it could prove quite a job if its been there for a while, may have to soak it.
The S# of my machine is 3718* and is from around 1965 according to info provided and from what I have gleaned from other sources.

The only other thing is the drive shear pin, located inside the lower door, sometimes its replaced with a bolt or other hard material, not as originally intended. I do have an original manual which could be scanned if req.
I'm sure you will enjoy the machine. Alan.