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    Painted the machine stand today. Its starting to look good. As for the chip tray and drainage, well i have been deep in thought about that over last few days. I don't want coolant pooling at the base where the mill base makes contact with the chip tray. I think i may make 4 off 12mm corner spacers, one for each corner where the base makes contact with the tray. Now what i intend to do is at the front ill have those two spacers under the chip tray (mill base directly on tray) and at the rear ill have the spacers on top off the chip tray (between the mill base and tray) So the effect will be to tilt the tray to the rear(about 1 in 80) and the mill will stay level. This arrangement will slightly distort the tray but its only 2mm steel so hopefully the 380kg of mill and the hold down bolts will take care of that. The mill will still need to be shimmed but hopefully these spacers can be faced to address that problem too. Anyone else done similar?

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    I haven't done anything similar but it seems a good idea I think. Give it a go with just some parallel spaces to start with and bolt it all down going gently to see if the bending causes any woopty to happen in the tray. If it does try to go skew-if you may have to masage the tray at the bend points and possibly/probably some stretching and shrinking to sort it out. Give it a go first see what happens.



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    I would pick up a bit of say 50 x 20 and cut it diagonally across the 20mm side. I think from memory you have a bandsaw and you would only have to do 2 cuts. If you don't have a bandsaw cut the pieces with a grinder, then tack weld them together and do it on the mill while it's on the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave J View Post
    I would pick up a bit of say 50 x 20 and cut it diagonally across the 20mm side. I think from memory you have a bandsaw and you would only have to do 2 cuts. If you don't have a bandsaw cut the pieces with a grinder, then tack weld them together and do it on the mill while it's on the floor.

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    No Dave, no bandsaw

    Are you suggesting that I make a set of matching wedges (one on top of tray and one underneath) so the tray sits on them properly?

    I may do this using the mill. I'll have a think and a play...

    Cheers,

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    Hi Simon,
    I think you will be happier in the long run with a wedge set up. Bending the tray might upset your leveling as it will settle over time and move, where wedges will sit flat strait up.

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    Thinking about it, if you slot the wedges a little where the bolt passes through, it will let you slide them to use for leveling, so no shims.

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    Not having a milling machine I bypassed this thread but this morning I decided to take a look and found the info on leveling machinery very interesting.
    Thanks to all that have contributed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave J View Post
    Thinking about it, if you slot the wedges a little where the bolt passes through, it will let you slide them to use for leveling, so no shims.

    Dave
    The last steam engine I installed I used wedges to level it. They certainly made what can be a fiddly job simple and straight forward. After leveling, grout is placed around the base of the engine and everything stays as it should. That is all a bit traditional though.

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    As Phil said this type of thing has been around along time for larger machinery.
    Here is the basic design of them


    Bremen High School Industrial Technology -- Bremen, Indiana: Leveling Wedge by Chris Bowen

    And here is what I was thinking for the front of your mill. The bolts would push on the mill base allowing you to adjust the leveling easy. You would only need to weld a couple of pieces of flat bar to the front blocks.
    The drawing is only rough.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    Not having a milling machine I bypassed this thread but this morning I decided to take a look and found the info on leveling machinery very interesting.
    Thanks to all that have contributed.
    No problem Bob, I find good info tucked away in threads sometimes as well.
    I think this will be an impressive stand when Simon has finished, and maybe innovative as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave J View Post
    Thinking about it, if you slot the wedges a little where the bolt passes through, it will let you slide them to use for leveling, so no shims.

    Dave
    Hi Dave,

    The only issue is that the mill makes contact at the 4 corners and these contact points are an L shape. See sketch. Also if I did make wedges, do you think that the surface finish that is acheivable with a face cutter would be of sufficient accuracy?

    Cheers,

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    Hi,
    Even a end mill finish would be good enough, after all once it's leveled and bolted down it wont really matter.
    How long are those pieces on the corners of the base? As I have another idea if they are wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave J View Post
    Hi,
    Even a end mill finish would be good enough, after all once it's leveled and bolted down it wont really matter.
    How long are those pieces on the corners of the base? As I have another idea if they are wide.

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    Thanks Steamwhisperer. Hi Bob, glad I'm not the only one getting valuable info out of this thread!

    Dave,

    I'm at work at the moment so I would be going from memory but I think both sides may be about 80 - 100mm long.

    Something like on the drawing. What do you have in mind Dave? Lucky I'm not paying you a consulting fee!

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    "An impressive an innovative stand"

    For god sake Dave, don't build this thing up too much, at least not till it's finished! It may turn out crap!

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    "It may turn out crap!"

    Yes, but we consultants can always blame that on poor execution of our brilliant ideas (as consultants everywhere do )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael G View Post
    "It may turn out crap!"

    Yes, but we consultants can always blame that on poor execution of our brilliant ideas (as consultants everywhere do )

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