Thread: I shot the sheriff but I didn't shoot the deputy

Glad you weren't there Phil! I pricked up my ears when I heard 'Rostock Crt' on the news, but happily none of the details matched any reference to you. Thanks for the reassuring post!

Originally Posted by jhovel

I pricked up my ears when I heard 'Rostock Crt' on the news ,

That was my very first thought as I awoke this morning. The clock radio went off just as I openend my eyes at 6ish. I heard about this shooting in Thomastown, thinking I hope that hasn't happanened down the Paris end of Thomastown. It was just over the road.

We / I were heading for Goulbern Valley today.. I'm still at home in Melb. The vans full of jobs. I'll off load them in the morning.

Regards Phil.

On the news Phil they did an aerial shot showing your factory and the woodworker next door. I gotta say my heart skipped a beat.
Rough end of town. Perhaps you could get Marco to stay in your shed and if anyone breaks in he could say" I've got a joke for you"...they would run a mile
You have now officially been gifted my Allen keys. Use them well.
Seriously though, I am glad you weren't doing a late return to the factory or a very early start Phil. Coulda' got interesting.

Phil (the other other)

I see he has been charged with murder now......

Originally Posted by .RC.

I see he has been charged with murder now......

Yeah, that's a bit rough. I would of expected manslaughter at the very least.

Glad your okay Phil.

(I have my own Allen keys, ta )

Good to hear you're ok, shooting a burglar is now murder? I get the feeling there must be more to the story..

Josh and I were down in Campbellfield yesterday to pick up some of the bits and pieces from the Dana Auction, and were almost going to drop around to see if you were in, and we could borrow some allen keys...

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by RayG

Good to hear you're ok

+1

Originally Posted by RayG

shooting a burglar is now murder?

Well he was shot in the head and found on the footpath (according to the news) so at the very least the guy will have some explaining to do.

Might start calling Phil first rather than doing the pop in.

Stuart

Originally Posted by RayG

...shooting a burglar is now murder?

I believe it can be Ray, if the you kill the bloke and he wasn't presenting any threat to you.

Phil, when you rang yesterday, I should have answered " G'Day, Killer!". I was up before the dawn* and saw the story online and thought of you and crime scene tape and a day wasted locked out of the factory. I'm glad you were able to get a day's work in anyway.

*Supertramp. Words to live by then, not so much now. Sigh.

I'm glad all is well for you Phil. I pity the man who shot the intruders......

Hearing it on the news, and not knowing Melbourne at all, i was sure someone was in Thomastown but couldn't remember who.

You have to feel sorry for the business owner.... I heard he was recently separated, thus the reason why he was at his workshop..... You can be sure he has now lost his business... Cannot work as he is in jail.... Will no doubt have legal expenses in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.. Unable to access legal aide as he would be considered too "rich" because he owns a business...

So the poor bloke is stuffed all because some scumbags thought they could take away property he had worked for...

That is of course if this was a break in gone wrong and not some underworld criminal retribution sort of thing...

Originally Posted by .RC.

You have to feel sorry for the business owner.... I heard he was recently separated, thus the reason why he was at his workshop..... You can be sure he has now lost his business... Cannot work as he is in jail.... Will no doubt have legal expenses in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.. Unable to access legal aide as he would be considered too "rich" because he owns a business...

So the poor bloke is stuffed all because some scumbags thought they could take away property he had worked for...

That is of course if this was a break in gone wrong and not some underworld criminal retribution sort of thing...

Hi all,

Glad to hear you're OK Phil.

So, the business owner obviously had a firearm with him. I bet it was not locked away in an approved secure safe and I bet the ammunition was not stored and secured in a separate location. If the other guy was unarmed, then he used unreasonable force and now the other guy is dead. Not to mention dead on the street where it may be difficult to prove he was still a threat. Not a very good position to be in even if you do think you have the right to kill someone for stealing your property.

Personally I think I'd let insurance take care of the missing stuff and then I would still enjoy turning up for work on the Monday instead of being remanded in custody with a murder charge over my head.

I am only speculating and I only know what I have read on this forum. I've just got back from a 7 day camping trip. There may be circumstances (as mentioned above) that we are unaware of.

Cheers,

Simon

Originally Posted by simonl

If the other guy was unarmed, then he used unreasonable force ...

... or maybe he could have let the "burglar" beat him nearly to death with his bare hands, before feeling justified enough to use "unreasonable force".

I also don't know the specifics of what happened, but it's a brave person who can so easily pass judgement on someone who it would appear was the victim of a home/business invasion.

Originally Posted by Vernonv

... or maybe he could have let the "burglar" beat him nearly to death with his bare hands, before feeling justified enough to use "unreasonable force".

I also don't know the specifics of what happened, but it's a brave person who can so easily pass judgement on someone who it would appear was the victim of a home/business invasion.

Possibly. I did read above that the "victim" was found on the street, not in the factory. One person dead and another was burgled, who's the greater victim? For most law abiding citizens, owning a firearm for protection is not practical. By the time you realise you are being threatened, it's usually too late to unlock your firearms, unlock the separate safe for the ammunition, load the weapon and defend yourself. Then again if you live a lifestyle that requires you to sleep with a loaded weapon under your bed or in your vehicle then live by the sword, die by the sword. I bet the dead dude and the shooter were known to each other.

Anyway, at the end of the day, one person is dead and another person is facing possibly many years in custody. No winners.

Simon