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Thread: PVC or metal ducting
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17th January 2007, 10:25 PM #1Intermediate Member
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PVC or metal ducting
I have looked at Ironwood and Al B's recent posts on how they put together their ducting. I have finally got power to the shed and have finally acquired a few good tools. I now need to put in a good dust collection system to each machine but am unsure on what would be the best strategy.
On the one hand Ironwood has shown that 6" PVC looks pretty good and it seems that this is probably the easiest system to implement but I have been surprised at the cost of 6" PVC components - $57 for 6mx6" PVC pipe, $33 for each 45 degree take-off and $13.50 for each 45 degree bend. Each drop will probably cost around $60 and then I would need to add a blast gate and some flexible hose. 10 drops quickly brings the probably cost up to more than $700 or so.
As I said the attraction is that PVC ducting is probably within my skill level although it appears that I might still need to make some metal transitions and possibly devise some other dust collection strategies for some machines.
Al B's sheet metal work certainly seems to be much more versatile and possibly more useful in the long term. All the transitions, bends and take-offs seem to be relatively easy and cheap to construct but I think this is because he knows what he is doing.
Nonetheless I have been investigating the feasibility of constructing the metal ducting.
An 8'x4' 22 gauge gal sheet metal costs about $43 (I don't have a friend with a sheet metal workshop). A Hafco SJ-22 swage & jenny costs $395 and a suitable soldering iron costs less than $100. I think Al B used 24 gauge so the gal sheet may be a little cheaper and easier to work.
If I had to buy the jenny the costs run out about the same for metal and PVC but I think that the metal will probably be more versatile.
It comes down to how difficult is the metal work. I have done a little sheet metal work (rudimentary at best) a long time ago. I am sure I will eventually manage the soldering but don't know about the rest.
I noticed that Al B used a spot welder to hold his joints together before soldering - the cheapest spot welder I can find is about $800 so I hope to avoid this. Are there other ways to hold everything together for soldering - riveting for example?
Cutting or simple bending of the 24 gauge sheet metal is probably OK - rolling it into a nice curve might be less easy. Can you get satisfactory results by hand or by forming over something of the right diameter (6" PVC pipe perhaps)?
I am tempted to go with the sheet metal but fear I am being a little too ambitious.
Apart from some answers to some of the above questions I would appreciate other views from the more experienced.
Regards
Terry
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18th January 2007, 12:01 AM #2
Only thing I can input here is you are getting ripped off for the cost of the fittings. I bought a stack of these sorts of things from Bunnings, and didn't pay anywhere near that much. I pretty sure of that, as I would have refused to pay that much for a 45 takeoff. Even the 6m pipe is about double what I payed at Bunnings.
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18th January 2007, 07:02 AM #3
Hi Terry
I have sent you a PM.Regards
Al .
You don't know, what you don't know, until you know it.
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18th January 2007, 07:08 AM #4Intermediate Member
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Stuart,
I did look at a relatively local Bunnings (about 30km away) but found they had almost no 6" stuff. The 4" pipe and fittings are fairly cheap but it seems that the 6" stuff really increases in price quite rapidly.
If it was 6" pipe I'll try another Bunnings
Regards
Terry
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18th January 2007, 09:55 AM #5
The prices you have, are probably for sewer (SWV). Do you need that sort of pipe for your task? Stormwater in 6" is what I have had for about the past ten years, and it all works well. SW is way cheaper that SWV. Go to a decent plumbers supply to get what you're after.
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18th January 2007, 07:17 PM #6Intermediate Member
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I have perhaps asked for the wrong thing. I have since found another thread https://www.woodworkforums.com/f11/ducting-costs-10063 that shows a much cheaper set of prices.
Given I also asked at Reece the differences in price would indicate probably sewer pipe rather than storm water. I'll check again tomorrow.
Terry
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19th January 2007, 02:36 PM #7Intermediate Member
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I checked prices - the prices I quoted in my original message was for 150mm storm water fittings from Reece Plumbing. (I cross-checked at two different stores)
I have checked at a few Bunnings stores and they seem to only go up to 100mm pipe.
If I stay with 150mm pipe my original estimate of a bit more than $700 still looks right unless someone can point me to a cheaper supplier.
Terry
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19th January 2007, 02:47 PM #8Intermediate Member
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I aslo checked prices at Tradelink - the 150mm x 6m pipe is just under $65 but the 45 degree junctions about $21.27 - a bit cheaper.
As the guy said "the price of PVC and copper has gone through the roof!"
Terry
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19th January 2007, 09:44 PM #9
Ah - forgot about the profiteering factor. You'd think Bunnings makes so much money already that they could be above that.
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30th January 2007, 04:49 PM #10Novice
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the response har616 received from tradelink seems to be fairly common at the moment "the price of PVC and copper has gone through the roof!" and is usually followed with something to do with crude oil prices, OPEC or the Chinese buying everything up.
You might find a rural/farm supplies place in your area to have 150mm pipe, or you could make the trip into Laverton (for the rubble and riches market) that often has some PVC components at a good discount to Bunnings
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4th February 2007, 07:36 AM #11Member
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One place I have gotten cheap fittings and pipe from is the shop they have at the local tip. Amazing what some people will throw out - and its only 5 minutes away. Its all hit and miss though as to what you will find.
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