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Thread: Resleeving brake slave cylinder
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18th January 2013, 07:10 PM #31
brass
Hi
reading my 1970 high school metalwork book ( yeah Ive still got it ) there are many types of brass . I believe the brake cylinder sleeving brass is a 'hard brass'
the copper zinc ratio of some
90 to 10 is tough engine bearings AKA red brass
70 to 30 is cartridge cases AKA best brass Bristol steel
60 to 40 sheathing AKA Muntz metal
30 to 70 cheap jewelry AKA imitation platinum
there are many more ..MIKE
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18th January 2013, 08:42 PM #32SENIOR MEMBER
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Red brass is the one I would use. I think hard (red) brass is pretty stable stuff. The only issue is the electrolysis aspect, which is a big no no if aluminium comes into contact with it. But with cast iron it would be quite OK.
Electrolysis can be quite severe and will eat away aluminium in a very short time.
As I said, you could re-sleeve the cylinder with the same metal as the original master/slave cylinder and it would last just as long as the original unit.
Doesn't have to be stainless steel at all.
I would however use a small roll pin on it to prevent movement.
The job the OP did looks pretty good to me. Brass will expand more than cast iron, so when things get hot it will lock in tighter, so that's a good thing.
Rob
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21st January 2013, 01:08 AM #33GOLD MEMBER
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brass and brass
thanks mike and rob. something id forgoten
aaron
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21st January 2013, 09:29 AM #34Turning useful pieces of steel into scrap metal.
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If it was my job I would have made the sleeve insert out of mild steel. The original component would have been ferrous in nature. To go to brass or stainless is way over engineering and excessive costly.
If you get the right interference fit and finish, there is no need to pin or use lock type compounds. I have done quite a few of these types of jobs in previous years with no trouble.
Just refill and change with the recommended grade brake fuid as per the manufacturer, most likely to be Dot 3 or maybe Dot 4. Don't use Dot 5 as it most likely not compatible with the older rubber seal compounds as used in yesteryears.Turning useful pieces of steel into scrap metal.
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The reason that stainless is used, (by every commercial re sleever of brakes that I have spoken to), is that once done you never need to touch it. The cost of a stainless sleeve versus mild steel or anything else is negligible in terms of material cost compared to labour and machining costs. Stainless and aluminium are compatible, (yes, I do realise that this was a cast iron cylinder). Why wouldn't you use the best material with the longest life if you are spending the dollars or time to undertake the project?
What make and model of truck was it anyway?
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21st January 2013, 02:46 PM #36Pink 10EE owner
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Try and find stainless steel tubing with an 1 1/2" ID
No doubt it is out there, somewhere, but brass is far more easily available...Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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21st January 2013, 05:02 PM #37Turning useful pieces of steel into scrap metal.
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Yes I can understand if you need this wheel cylinder to last twice as long as the original did or to outlast the old truck X 2, but for what reason, it is a waste of $$$ and time.
If you really wanted to use the best material maybe something like duralumin or another spaceage material would have been more apt, but why?Turning useful pieces of steel into scrap metal.
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