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    Default Rf 40 cum mill advice again please

    I still haven't put it together yet so no photo's but your advice would be helpful with these questions

    [1] When i replaced the quill bearings i used standard tapered rollers as i did not realize the importance of precision bearings on runout as i do now, the quill has 5 thou r/out which shows the same r/o on a new 50mm Boring Bar , is 5thou too much for hobby milling, at this stage being a novice i think i will be machining to fit the mating workpiece not machining to a mircometer size.

    [2] To take advantage of the H&F sale I am thinking of getting the VA 4 Anglock vice, the data for the vice says removable jaws does this mean they can bolt to the backside of the movable & fixed blocks in the holes already drilled. The VA5 vice is another $30 would it be better on my table which is 700mm x 210mm from a HM35 mill.

    [3] A clamp kit Red or Blue, the blue kit seem to be smaller clamps has anyone broken these as the red kits are $34 dearer it makes the blue good value, also my T-slots are 16mm the blue kit only comes in 5/8th i don't think this will be a problem what do you think.

    [4] I have nearly finnished building a stand and have enough copper sheet to make a decent coolant tray should i bother or just use a squeeze bottle, is anybody using a flood coolant system on these small mills.

    Thanks in advance
    Paul

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    Hi Paul,
    5 thou is a lot, did you check for burrs on the quill when you replaced the bearing? Also check to see if the bearing is seated squarely on the quill.

    The angle lock vises are great, you can place the jaws on the out side, but no need to turn them around. The removable jaw makes cleaning easy though.

    With the clamp kits I have no idea between the 2, I bought orange ones from them years ago.
    With your sizing measure between the slot not the bottom. My HM52 only takes 14mm, so I would say your either takes that size or more than likely 12mm.

    With coolant it up to you, I don't use coolant with carbide, but do with HSS. It's makes the cutters last much longer and to save money in the home shop this helps out a lot.

    I still don't run coolant on my lathe, but the HSS sticks are cheap and can be re sharpened.

    Dave

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    With precision bearings I feel for our size mills (HM35-HM52) they are not worth the money for the home shop.
    I priced then up and they where around $800 for my mill (4 bearings) and when you look at the big picture we are running Chinese tooling and cutters etc which would probable have more run out than our bearings.

    I would never discourage someone from installing them, but I don't think you would see any real difference on your mill. With a lathe it's different as the part is revolving.

    Dave

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    Hi Paul,

    5 thou seems like a lot, even for standard bearings. I replaced the cheap Chinese "precision" bearings in my mill with standard quality Japanese bearings. I concur with Dave, that for the home machinist, standard bearings are fine in the mill, especially a Chinese made mill. As for runout, I would have thought less than a thou?

    Clamping kit sizing can be very confusing. My mill takes an M14 stud for a 16mm T slot. I can use M12 at a pinch but it means less take up area under the table which increases chances of damage if I accidentally over tighten Ideally I would have M14 size T nuts but with an M12 thread . My face plate and angle plate need an M12 so I have 2 sets, one of each size. They both come in very handy. At first when I purchased both sets I thought I was being extravagant but I have never regretted the extra purchase.

    I have never used coolant, but I'm still wet behind the ears with this game and it's on my "to do" list to get coolant up and running, then I can decide if it's necessary for me.

    Good luck Paul!

    Simon

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    Hi Dave & Simon
    The T-slots are 16mm the table is from a early Tiawanese mill probably branded a Herless. The Blue kit with 5/8 T/S and 1/2inch UNC studs is the one i'm looking at, I have used a m16 bolt and a 5/8 drill bit to size the slots both had clearance

    I won't be buying precision bearings for it at that price but i will pull the quill out check the seating of the bearing like you said, I was thinking of trying to drill the Drawbar hole out to 16mm as i'm using M/T4 tooling, that should be a challenge. Old Mate at the local tooling shop here said if you still have runout after fitting precision bearings turn one 180deg. and it should help, maybe same applies to standard bearings.

    I should make the coolant tray at least it will be there if i need it and would be a PIA to do later.

    Thanks

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