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    Well, compared to the other lathes in your possession I imagine the Schaublin 102 could be considered dainty but not all 102s were lightweight Mark. Here's a 102VM

    ( I'd be happy enough with a wispy 70 )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ueee View Post
    I'd really like to see how the Holbrook stacks up against the CVA. Now if there was a 10EE close to compare.....

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    Once they are second hand all depends on condition... Mine is sweet to use, but it would not surprise me if Mark's CVA will be as good as my 10EE, it was certainly cheaper... The DC drive system in the 10EE is far superior to the CVA drive system when both are working properly...

    When new a mid 1970's 30" 10EE with inch/metric threading and ELSR wins hands down... As they were the best 10EE's ever made but rare as hens teeth...
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    Talking about these high end machines, does anyone have a Hardinge HLV for comparison?

    I got a demo of Ewan's Holbrook the other day, and that thing is smooth as.. running at 2000 rpm, no vibration and just quiet and smooth. Very impressed.

    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    The DC drive system in the 10EE is far superior to the CVA drive system when both are working properly...
    The difference is that the 10EE's is far more likely to not be working properly...

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    [QUOTE=Anorak Bob;1779131]Well, compared to the other lathes in your possession I imagine the Schaublin 102 could be considered dainty but not all 102s were lightweight Mark. Here's a 102VM

    ( I'd be happy enough with a wispy 70 )

    You are right Bob. I am referring to the usual plain 102's. Did not relies they did a VM model. Will have to look up the specs of that model and compare to 120VM. Looks a nice machine. That picture really makes me want to paint mine.

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    [QUOTE=markgray;1779155]
    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Well, compared to the other lathes in your possession I imagine the Schaublin 102 could be considered dainty but not all 102s were lightweight Mark. Here's a 102VM

    ( I'd be happy enough with a wispy 70 )

    You are right Bob. I am referring to the usual plain 102's. Did not relies they did a VM model. Will have to look up the specs of that model and compare to 120VM. Looks a nice machine. That picture really makes me want to paint mine.
    Then this picture will probably have you prising the lid off the can of Wash and Wear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    Talking about these high end machines, does anyone have a Hardinge HLV for comparison?

    I got a demo of Ewan's Holbrook the other day, and that thing is smooth as.. running at 2000 rpm, no vibration and just quiet and smooth. Very impressed.

    Ray
    I have the Hardinge DV59, which is the same size as the HLV.... I think the headstock on the 10EE weighs more then the entire bed of a HLV...

    The HLV is tiny... But takes up massive room because of the substantial sheet (1/8" thick) metal base..
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    Finally found the charging lead for my camera so while taking some pics have included some of the schaublin and CVA lathes. The CVA has had all the oils changed/levelled and cleaned. Runs like a charm. Have a FIMS number 3 QCTP to put on it as well as the taper turning attachment. Have not done anything with Schaublin yet but have been looking for a Tripan QCTP to fit on it (anyone have a spare ????)


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    Nice Mark,

    Appearance wise, I reckon the CVA has it over the Schaublin. I've alway thought the Swiss headstock was a weird looking thing though I imagine it works better than it looks. I look forward to hearing about the performance of both machines.

    Bob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Nice Mark,

    Appearance wise, I reckon the CVA has it over the Schaublin. I've alway thought the Swiss headstock was a weird looking thing though I imagine it works better than it looks. I look forward to hearing about the performance of both machines.

    Bob.

    In there own way both are beautiful machines. The CVA oozes power and rigidity and everything about it is solid. The Schaublin is more delicate but with those silkly smooth controls you just know it was built for precision. I also look forward to comparing their performance.

    Mark

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    Default Schaublin 120VM lathe

    Quote Originally Posted by markgray View Post
    Had a massive road trip in the truck this week to pick up the CVA 10 x 30 lathe. What a beauty and in excellent condition. After much negotiation also brought home a Schaublin 120VM lathe. This was in the same area and I had been talking to the owner for a little while. He brought it from a railway engineering toolroom a decade ago and it had sat in the corner of his engineering business ever since and never been used. He was always worried he might damage it as he didn't have a manual and wasn't sure how everything worked. He eventually decided to sell it and let me know he was going to put it on ebay. Obviously it didn't stay there long as I made him an offer he was happy to accept.
    Now it appears to be in reasonable condition but very dirty from sitting in the corner uncovered for many years. Ways look good with little backlash in slides. Variable speed drive and power feeds all seem to work OK. Came with ?a full collection of change gears, 3 and 4 jaw chucks and both steadies but no collets. Have only just unloaded the two lathes so no other info or pictures yet.
    On my way to Sydney for the Qantas inspection day and pictures next week.
    Any one else have a similar lathe or any info on this model. Have managed to get a manual in German so far.

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    Good day there Mark - interesting to read your correspondence on your Schaublin 120VM lathe purchase - I am currently negotiating for the loan of the same machine from a friend - he has about 10 metal working lathes and this one was acquired from my old aviation company at Perth Airport - I think that it came across from the plant over in the East at Lidcombe when the Western Australian division kicked off here around circa 1966 - it was in the Electrician's shop for nearly all that time - I don't think most people knew how to operate it properly - so not much use over the 45 years from what I gather - my friend bought it about 4 to 5 years ago and it has just sat in his packed workshop ever since awaiting "attention" as it were - I am suggesting that I borrow the m/c for a 12 month period from him and give it a birthday etc., plus do a couple of other engineering jobs for him as recompense. I am a recently retired Mech Engineer so it would be an interesting little project for me in my early retirement phase etc., Hence just wondering what Tech Info you may have possibly assembled on the lathe and if you might pass some on to me - there was mention of a German Handbook/Manual for the lathe in the thread in PDF format so I would be very interested is getting hold of that for a start. I have a very good Swiss friend of a technical bent that could do the translation of same if an English version is not around the traps. Also if it is not too much of a rude question for you what is the likely market value of a machine of this nature in reasonable "original" condition - I might end up making my friend a fair offer for it. We are looking to down size sometime in the future so the prospect of relinquishing my 12m x 12m workshop with 3 phase power is a distinct possibly a couple of years away from now hence a medium term loan arrrangement would suit me. Looking forward to hearing from you when you have 5 to spare - thanking you and kind regards to you Sheoak17 - my email address is [email protected]

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    Talking about these high end machines, does anyone have a Hardinge HLV for comparison?

    I got a demo of Ewan's Holbrook the other day, and that thing is smooth as.. running at 2000 rpm, no vibration and just quiet and smooth. Very impressed.

    Ray

    I know where there is one…..



    I also know of a later model Schubalin that is for sale at a dealers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSEL74 View Post
    I know where there is one…..


    I also know of a later model Schubalin that is for sale at a dealers.

    Ok...I'll will ask on Rays behalf. Where,which model and how much?

    Love the Hardinge.....is it yours?


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    Quote Originally Posted by markgray View Post
    Ok...I'll will ask on Rays behalf. Where,which model and how much?

    Love the Hardinge.....is it yours?


    Mark

    Local place I've been to a few time, dunno what It's called and always takes me an hour to find driving around the area. I found it by accident when a friend took me to see someones factory. Don't know the model either but it has a square boxy headstock and has been there for at least 6mths. If Ray was really interested I would make an effort to track the place down again.

    The Hardinge isn't mine either but I'd like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheoak17 View Post
    Good day there Mark - interesting to read your correspondence on your Schaublin 120VM lathe purchase - I am currently negotiating for the loan of the same machine from a friend - he has about 10 metal working lathes and this one was acquired from my old aviation company at Perth Airport - I think that it came across from the plant over in the East at Lidcombe when the Western Australian division kicked off here around circa 1966 - it was in the Electrician's shop for nearly all that time - I don't think most people knew how to operate it properly - so not much use over the 45 years from what I gather - my friend bought it about 4 to 5 years ago and it has just sat in his packed workshop ever since awaiting "attention" as it were - I am suggesting that I borrow the m/c for a 12 month period from him and give it a birthday etc., plus do a couple of other engineering jobs for him as recompense. I am a recently retired Mech Engineer so it would be an interesting little project for me in my early retirement phase etc., Hence just wondering what Tech Info you may have possibly assembled on the lathe and if you might pass some on to me - there was mention of a German Handbook/Manual for the lathe in the thread in PDF format so I would be very interested is getting hold of that for a start. I have a very good Swiss friend of a technical bent that could do the translation of same if an English version is not around the traps. Also if it is not too much of a rude question for you what is the likely market value of a machine of this nature in reasonable "original" condition - I might end up making my friend a fair offer for it. We are looking to down size sometime in the future so the prospect of relinquishing my 12m x 12m workshop with 3 phase power is a distinct possibly a couple of years away from now hence a medium term loan arrrangement would suit me. Looking forward to hearing from you when you have 5 to spare - thanking you and kind regards to you Sheoak17 - my email address is [email protected]

    Hi Sheoak17,

    Welcome to the forum.

    I am away with work at the moment....for another 2 weeks but I do have a german manual for the 120VM. I think I have a electronic copy on my home computer because it runs to 100+pages, so I can check when I get home and forward it to you if you like.
    As to a price estimate that depends on a lot of factors. Is it in full working condition, any signs of wear, available accessories etc. Spares for these machines are rare and generally would have to be considered unobtainable. They were very high end machines in their day but that was a long time ago. Only about 2000 were ever made so you won't get too many chances to buy one. If it is in good working order with not too much wear and at least the basic accessories many people would be interested in the machine. If the price was $2000 you would consider that a good deal, $3000-$4000 probably reasonable and a high end machine with lots of accessories might command $8-10000 in some circumstances. Thats just my 2 cents worth, others may think differently. We love pictures on this forum so if you have any post them and we can give you a better guide.

    In the meantime here is some information from the Lathe uk site for you to read if you have not seen it before

    http://www.lathes.co.uk/schaublin/page9.html

    will get back to you when I get home

    Mark

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