Thread: Schaublin 13

Originally Posted by ES2

Hi Bob,

The only apparent denomination on the catalogue is 13/61 on the bottom RHS of the front cover. I could investigate scanning it for you if you wish. Might be best sent on a thumb drive or CD? I would require your postal address.


Likewise a copy of the manual would be of interest to me if it is not too much trouble.


Kind regards - Geoff

Hello Geoff,

The catalogue you have is the same as one Phillip has . Phillip very kindly scanned it for me.

If you send me a private message containing your personal email address, I will forward you a copy of my manual. I also have a scanned copy of later, post '67 mill's accessory brochure. It is a French version. Let me know if that is of interest.

BT

Hello Geoff and Bob,
My machine is number 206 from 1955. However the vertical head is numbered 207, either Schaublin got mine mixed up in the factory (unlikely) or it has been mixed up by the original owners. I am the second owner of my 13 and when I got the mill it came with two original Schaublin parts, a W20 centre for a rotary table (which Bob has as his table was missing one) and a cast beam accessory used to connect the tail stock of a dividing head to the headstock. At some stage I suspect the original owners, a university, had two machines and the other one was unfortunately sold with most of the accessories.

At the moment there are five machine known in Australia:

Geoff's Number 166 from 1953
The Fiora Machinery Machine from 1953?
My machine Number 206 from 1955
The machine in Adelaide sold recently
Bob's machine Number 537 from 1961.

Anyone else?

Regards, Phillip.

Originally Posted by Metalman

Hello Geoff and Bob,
My machine is number 206 from 1955. However the vertical head is numbered 207, either Schaublin got mine mixed up in the factory (unlikely) or it has been mixed up by the original owners. I am the second owner of my 13 and when I got the mill it came with two original Schaublin parts, a W20 centre for a rotary table (which Bob has as his table was missing one) and a cast beam accessory used to connect the tail stock of a dividing head to the headstock. At some stage I suspect the original owners, a university, had two machines and the other one was unfortunately sold with most of the accessories.

At the moment there are five machine known in Australia:

Geoff's Number 166 from 1953
The Fiora Machinery Machine from 1953?
My machine Number 206 from 1955
The machine in Adelaide sold recently
Bob's machine Number 537 from 1961.

Anyone else?

Regards, Phillip.

Hi Phillip,

Not the table but the simple dividing head. There is a Schaublin 10 inch rotary table on UK Ebay at present, local pick up only. Rules the colonials out.

Gary at Eccentric Engineering has not one but two post '67 13s. Gary makes the Diamond Tool Holder. My Workshop

My vertical head and body numbers don't match. I dare say there were a number of 13s at the Weapons Research Establishment in Salisbury.

Bob.

I've just moved back here from overseas and bought my most important worldly possessions back with me - including a Schaublin 13 mill. So add me to the list of 13 owners.

I am also interested in the discussion about converting to single phase use. I am building a workshop and do not have single phase but should have plenty of 'two' phase 480V - at least 32 amps per phase. I have a bit of other three phase stuff and am leaning towards a 8 kW phase converter with dedicated 3P switchboard so that I can just plug it all in and not have to worry about modifying the equipment. Bob - can you tell me how you did the VFD conversion for your machine with the three motors and how it worked out?

Leigh

You are going to be taxing my memory here Leigh.

Of the 13's three motors I only have the 2 horse Oerlikon running. It is connected to a 240 V 2.2KW TECO VFD. The VFD I planned to use to power the rapid feed motor, a 1 horse TECO FM50, is presently wired up to my other mill and a Westinghouse 1/4 HP VFD intended for the coolant pump motor sits forlornly in a cupboard. ( Coolant is still something I have not addressed )

I have retained and use the original switches on the mill. I have bypassed the thermal overload circuit breakers. The current draw of the VFD is much greater than the 4 or so amp maximum for the breakers when connected to the original 3 phase. The mill's ON switch powers the VFD via a Klockner Moeller magnetic contactor. I modified the multi position motor start-stop lever's wiring so that it is now wired direct to the VFD remote switching circuit. To connect the coolant motor to a VFD via the mill's original switch could prove problematic. The access hole in the body casting leading into the switch gear enclosure is too small for the myriad cables.

I have thoroughly photographed all this switch gear in its original guise should there ever be a need to reinstate 415V three phase.

I don't use the VFD to control motor speed. I have it set on 50Hz and use the mill's Variateur. ( bugger me! I just checked my spelling Francais and found this - Variateur fraiseuse Schaublin 13 )

Hope this is of some use.

Bob.

Bob,

That's actually a big help. It all sounds like a lot of effort and the machine works fine with what came out of the factory so I don't see that variable speed and soft start will make a great improvement (though the main spindle belt slips a bit at startup - probably needs adjustment). By the time I tackle the lathe (two motors) and a combination wood saw (3 motors) I'm planning on purchasing it makes sense (to me) to go with a rotary converter and have a complete three phase sub panel and permanent wiring.

Leigh


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Hello Leigh,

I suppose if you had an alternative it may seem like some effort but I didn't. There was a touch of excitement involved. I had never seen the mill running. The punt I took paid off. Having the original controls operational was worth the trouble.

Bob.