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    Hi,
    I made a start on a new front wiper for my mill today (i used the front on one the back of the knee) I wanted to use 40x5mm but only had some 50x6. No worries, Freddie will handle that in no time! I got a bit adventurous with the DOC and went to the 1/4" that caused the vice bump early one. She absolutely ate the steel and showed no signs of any problems.
    The chips however, intrigue me greatly. They should be 12" long, a bit more than 1/4" wide and .020" thick. However they are much shorter than 12" (they are a bit stiff to flatten out easily and measure), the right width but .050" thick

    I'm guessing the cutter is compressing the chip as it comes off making it shorter and fatter. Is this normal, or a problem with my cutters angles? These are the kind of chips that go "clunk", not "ping" when you drop them on the floor.....

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    PLEASE make a short video - I'd love to see these chips being made!
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    Normal.

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    Gees Ewan, why don't you flatten them out and put them back on the rack as stock.

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    Same here. I think the compression hypothesis is reasonable. I can't think of another one.

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    Just like everyone else said it's normal. You will get some nice curls, but not long lengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col2310 View Post
    Explained very simply here:
    Very clear and useful document. Thanks Col.

    PS: More good stuff here, especially section 5: http://me.emu.edu.tr/me364/lecnotes.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhovel View Post
    PLEASE make a short video - I'd love to see these chips being made!
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    O.k, it was soooooo hard to sacrifice a bit of steel just for the sake of using the shaper but..........heck what am i talking about? It was easy....

    Keen eyed veiwers may notice the table dipping and then springing back up at the end of the cut. I really need to make the support bolts better, bigger washers etc as the support was pushed down by the force involved. Luckily the chips are heavy enough not to go too far. These things won't just ruin your shoes, they will ruin your feet too

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfoQflPnr7Q"]24" Queen City shaper 1/4" deep cut - YouTube[/ame]

    I'm glad the compression of the chips is normal. I'm about to read the link Col supplied.

    Mmmmmm chippies......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col2310 View Post
    Thank you Col.
    That makes it so easy to understand and should be read by all!
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    Nice vid once again Ewan.
    Was the work piece hot when you picked it up?
    Also, do you move your vice around for that cut? I mean do you rotate it 90 degrees so the cut was along the length of the piece?

    Ben

    Obviously you did move the vice, but can you cut the shorter face of the work piece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwal74 View Post
    Nice vid once again Ewan.
    Was the work piece hot when you picked it up?
    Also, do you move your vice around for that cut? I mean do you rotate it 90 degrees so the cut was along the length of the piece?

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    Obviously you did move the vice, but can you cut the shorter face of the work piece?
    Hi Ben,
    The piece was not hot at all, the chips get pretty hot, as you can tell by the colour, but i think the vice is a big enough heat sink for the piece itself.
    Yes my vice rotates, i have left it as shown for most of my cuts so far, not sure if this is "correct" technique or not, for instance the 11" square piece of plate i surfaced (the one the chips are sitting on in the pic) could have been done either way, but i did it with the vice as it is above.
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    Thanks Ewan, very impressive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ueee View Post
    Hi Ben,
    The piece was not hot at all, the chips get pretty hot, as you can tell by the colour, but i think the vice is a big enough heat sink for the piece itself.
    Yes my vice rotates, i have left it as shown for most of my cuts so far, not sure if this is "correct" technique or not, for instance the 11" square piece of plate i surfaced (the one the chips are sitting on in the pic) could have been done either way, but i did it with the vice as it is above.
    Serious bit of chip work Ewan. You are using the vice in the right orientation for a shaper. Please don't ask me whyas I will have to make something up.

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    Because it's more efficient to cut along the axis of the workpiece. It's not spelled out like that in the TAFE book, but I believe that's the inference. Imagine cutting that same piece the other way, with a lot of very short strokes. It would take longer and be harder on the machine. If the part is squarish it doesn't matter.

    PS: I guess you could put the part longways but the vice the other way. If you were adventurous.

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