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7th July 2012, 12:51 AM #1
Shaper Chip question
Hi,
I made a start on a new front wiper for my mill today (i used the front on one the back of the knee) I wanted to use 40x5mm but only had some 50x6. No worries, Freddie will handle that in no time! I got a bit adventurous with the DOC and went to the 1/4" that caused the vice bump early one. She absolutely ate the steel and showed no signs of any problems.
The chips however, intrigue me greatly. They should be 12" long, a bit more than 1/4" wide and .020" thick. However they are much shorter than 12" (they are a bit stiff to flatten out easily and measure), the right width but .050" thick
I'm guessing the cutter is compressing the chip as it comes off making it shorter and fatter. Is this normal, or a problem with my cutters angles? These are the kind of chips that go "clunk", not "ping" when you drop them on the floor.....
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7th July 2012, 01:39 AM #2
PLEASE make a short video - I'd love to see these chips being made!
Joe
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7th July 2012, 07:41 AM #3GOLD MEMBER
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Normal.
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7th July 2012, 07:57 AM #4SENIOR MEMBER
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Gees Ewan, why don't you flatten them out and put them back on the rack as stock.
Phil
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Same here. I think the compression hypothesis is reasonable. I can't think of another one.
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Explained very simply here:
http://me.emu.edu.tr/me364/ME364_cutting_mechanics.pdf
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7th July 2012, 10:12 AM #7Dave J Guest
Just like everyone else said it's normal. You will get some nice curls, but not long lengths.
Dave
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Very clear and useful document. Thanks Col.
PS: More good stuff here, especially section 5: http://me.emu.edu.tr/me364/lecnotes.html
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7th July 2012, 06:54 PM #9
Just for Joe
O.k, it was soooooo hard to sacrifice a bit of steel just for the sake of using the shaper but..........heck what am i talking about? It was easy....
Keen eyed veiwers may notice the table dipping and then springing back up at the end of the cut. I really need to make the support bolts better, bigger washers etc as the support was pushed down by the force involved. Luckily the chips are heavy enough not to go too far. These things won't just ruin your shoes, they will ruin your feet too
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfoQflPnr7Q"]24" Queen City shaper 1/4" deep cut - YouTube[/ame]
I'm glad the compression of the chips is normal. I'm about to read the link Col supplied.
Mmmmmm chippies......
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7th July 2012, 07:25 PM #101915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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7th July 2012, 07:52 PM #11SENIOR MEMBER
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Nice vid once again Ewan.
Was the work piece hot when you picked it up?
Also, do you move your vice around for that cut? I mean do you rotate it 90 degrees so the cut was along the length of the piece?
Ben
Obviously you did move the vice, but can you cut the shorter face of the work piece?
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7th July 2012, 08:18 PM #12
Hi Ben,
The piece was not hot at all, the chips get pretty hot, as you can tell by the colour, but i think the vice is a big enough heat sink for the piece itself.
Yes my vice rotates, i have left it as shown for most of my cuts so far, not sure if this is "correct" technique or not, for instance the 11" square piece of plate i surfaced (the one the chips are sitting on in the pic) could have been done either way, but i did it with the vice as it is above.1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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7th July 2012, 08:55 PM #13
Thanks Ewan, very impressive!
Joe
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Because it's more efficient to cut along the axis of the workpiece. It's not spelled out like that in the TAFE book, but I believe that's the inference. Imagine cutting that same piece the other way, with a lot of very short strokes. It would take longer and be harder on the machine. If the part is squarish it doesn't matter.
PS: I guess you could put the part longways but the vice the other way. If you were adventurous.
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