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    Quote Originally Posted by Vernonv View Post
    but it's a brave person who can so easily pass judgement on someone
    I also don't know what happened either, other than whats been reported and that is that one guy has pass judgement (possibly from a second story window of one would assume a locked factory) on the intent of another guy who appears to have been on the footpath(at least thats where he was found).

    BTW He has been remanded in custody until July. Didnt apply for bail. Unkown if he will apply to the Supreme Court for bail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonl View Post
    I did read above that the "victim" was found on the street, not in the factory. One person dead and another was burgled, who's the greater victim?
    Hindsight is 20/20, however it could have easily been the other way around - you have a seemingly innocent guy at his place of work, when it gets broken into by a criminal. Why should this guy (the true victim of the initial crime) allow himself to become a further victim of the unknown intentions of this burglar/psychotic killer/who knows? He certainly didn't ask to be put in that position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vernonv View Post
    (the true victim of the initial crime)
    What crime is that? For all I know the guy found dead on the footpath was walking along singing to loudly. Problem is we cant ask him.

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    For all we know he wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonl View Post
    Anyway, at the end of the day, one person is dead and another person is facing possibly many years in custody. No winners.
    Ain't that the truth. Just sad all around.

    And this street is freakin me out at the moment. There must have been a bit of a wake here Monday night, all the footpaths over that side of the court, where covered in chalk drawn messages. From what I can work out, some would have been from the dead kids 2 sisters. There's flowers tied to a tree. And Texta mesages on the tree.

    And the thing that freaks me out, there's a bed sheet tied to the fence. All painted up. "Miss U - R.I.P Wade". I left here after dark last night, and something is freaking me out.

    Which is silly and inconsequential given the problems for both sides. The kids funeral is tomorrow. Ivan the tenant's trial doesn't start for a few months, and I don't think he has a leg to stand on. The kid was found just outside the gate, on the public side.

    I will say, they must have made a hell of a racket, and there was 3 of them. The 3 strands of barbed wire, have been cut across the gate. And all of the sharp crosses on top of a wire mesh gate. They had been beaten about to round them off over the top pipe rail. I'm thinking that would have taken some time, and a lot of noise. Seems to be no doubt to me, they were coming over the gate.

    Security camera from next door, the place on the North side. That showed them (2 cars) pulling up right on my drive, casing that place, then leaving for about 5 minutes, then coming back and parking on the other side. But just short of that address.

    Not the sharpest tools in the shed. Ivan's regular car and ute were locked behind the gates, on the factory parking, very similar to mine. You might think there would be some one in attendance. But why he didn't turn on some lights, raise a noise, let out his dogs, or fire a warning shot, if you were inclined to reach for a firearm. A shot into the air from a 22, wouldn't raise any suspicion around here at 2.30 am

    It was a cold wet ###### night, and they were certainly determined to get in. And there were 3 of them, and 2 cars.

    I can probably explain having the gun there, the working back late story. I think he split up with his missus about 12 months ago, and has been living there - upstairs since. That time of night, wouldn't surprise me if he was still half cut.

    Anyway, its all getting a little sub-judiciary. The guy will have his trial starting in a few months. If the Mods see the need, please delete the thread.

    What R.C was saying about the business, winding up. They were stripping the factory out as soon as last Saturday. I wasn't here but the toolmaker next door tells me he saw air compressors and stuff leaving Saturday. I was in Monday. Several tilt trays and a larger pantech, pulling work in progress cars out of the joint. They were all packed up and finished by about 2.30 p.m.

    Regards Phil.

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