Thread: Yet Another Swiss Delight - Schaublin's 125

Hi BT,
I want one............. Though I'm sure I dont want to pay for one!
Any idea what the four round things center top of the chucks/collets picture?
For an extra point is the hole in the change gears round? doesnt appear to be.

Thanks for the pictures even if I'll never own one.

Stuart

Hi Stuart, BT,

The variable speed drive for the feed rate is a nice idea.. How does that work for screw cutting? Electronic gear box?

Regards
Ray

No idea about the round things Stu. I don't have a 125 catalogue. I have copies of the French catalogues for the 150 and 135 and there is nothing similar in them.

The triangular drive appears to be a favourite of Schaublin. My mill has a number of gears and shafts utilising that triangular form for guaranteed drive.

Ray,

The lathe pictured is a Model B. Screwcutting was by means of change gears. If you are going to buy one spring for the Model C. It was equipped with a metric / imperial gearbox. Forget the A as it had no screwcutting ability. The carriage was similar in function to the Hardinge HLV-H's. Only geared to the spindle for screwcutting otherwise independant. Variable speed feeds. Neato!

BT

HI Bob,
Thanks for that, I wonder what they had against keys? my only guess is the triangle is stronger for a given size?

hmmmmmm a vsd and 1/2 to 1Hp motor... variable speed power feed..... not like I dont have enough jobs to do.

Stuart

Looking at the exploded parts drawings for the 13 reveals numerous conventional keys. I guess the triangular drive was a way of keeping the cost up.

See you in Melbourne Stu.

Do those round things have tapered shafts? its a bit hard to tell but they do appear to be about the same size as the drill chuck shanks.

Do you know what the swing/length of these machines are?

Ewan

270 x 500 Ewan. I've been looking but cannot shed any light on those things. When I return to work post 'Fest, maybe I'll ask my Dutch colleague, Martine to ask the Dutch seller what they are.

In the meantime here is a nice 125 C for your viewing pleasure.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3IFgAi06ys"]SCHAUBLIN 125 - YouTube[/ame]

I have had a play on a 135C...or maybe it was a 125... Anyway...they make anything lesser seem caveman crude in comparison. Milacron on PM is a huge fan of the 135, but has opined often that in the 125 size he'd rather get an HLV-H Hardinge.

I wonder how a true comparison of the celebrated lab grade lathes would stack up? I'd love to get a shot at them all-the 10EE, HLV-H, 1020 from both Smart and Brown and Rivett, CVA, Weiler, Schaublin 135, Hembrug, The French things, Boley, Holbrook, etc.

On PM last year an ex-Soviet nuclear worker was told that the American nuke industry standard lathe was the Monarch 10EE and 1000EE, and asked what the Soviet version was? The answer was: all the WWll Monarch 10EEs the Americans gave the Russsians, overhauled when needed for fifty years. I want one, just in case.

GQ

Happy Easter to all, and to all a good night.

Originally Posted by Stustoys

HI Bob,
Thanks for that, I wonder what they had against keys? my only guess is the triangle is stronger for a given size?

hmmmmmm a vsd and 1/2 to 1Hp motor... variable speed power feed..... not like I dont have enough jobs to do.

Stuart

Keyways are meant to locate not to drive in shear, a discussion here

Keyway transfer forces - The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board

Sorry. Got to disagree with that one.
If keyways are only meant to locate then everything should be able to be done with a 2mm square key. While some keys are indeed used primarily for location, power transmission still occurs through the keyway.

The posters on the other forum when they talk about using keys only for locating are talking about tapered joints. While they are correct in that particular case, a straight shaft is most definately using the keyway.
Michael

Originally Posted by Michael G

Sorry. Got to disagree with that one.
If keyways are only meant to locate then everything should be able to be done with a 2mm square key. While some keys are indeed used primarily for location, power transmission still occurs through the keyway.

The posters on the other forum when they talk about using keys only for locating are talking about tapered joints. While they are correct in that particular case, a straight shaft is most definately using the keyway.
Michael

HI,
You are dead right Michael. Just a couple of basic examples:
A Yamaha Outboard uses a Woodruff Key to DRIVE the Impeller in the Water Pump.

A Belt Drive Air Compressor has a Keyway on the Driveshaft of its Power Source that either being an Electric Motor or Stationary Motor. That Keyway is used to DRIVE the Pulley around that has the Drive Belt/s fitted to it to Drive the Air Compressor.

That is a very Nice Lathe Bob Thanks for Posting.

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

Gregory said earlier today that he was just about tuckered out in his pursuit of things Deckel.
BT

You watch, he will find a nice thiel or schaublin or a little bit bigger deckel and the great hunt to furnish it with a complete equipment schedule will begin again.


Much to my surprise a bloke locally has a Monarch 10ee, however whilst in transit some prick chose to drop it off a forklift (it cracked a tailstock casting and a few other things.) It's sadly become a "some day" project for him.
Whilst in a different weight division to the others mentioned,The super rare 10EC monarch on lathes.co.uk has always intrigued alittle also.

Originally Posted by BrianLara400*

You watch, he will find a nice thiel or schaublin or a little bit bigger deckel and the great hunt to furnish it with a complete equipment schedule will begin again.


Much to my surprise a bloke locally has a Monarch 10ee, however whilst in transit some prick chose to drop it off a forklift (it cracked a tailstock casting and a few other things.) It's sadly become a "some day" project for him.
Whilst in a different weight division to the others mentioned,The super rare 10EC monarch on lathes.co.uk has always intrigued alittle also.

In fact if a Thiel 159 or Deckel FP2/3 showed up I'd be content to just split my collection of do-dads between them. I am harbouring a secret lust for the LK jig bore head, but on the FP1 a special, rarer than rare adapter is needed. Not so on the FP2 or 3.

I see a 1982 FP1 just fetched 27,500 on US ebay.

Greg

Originally Posted by Anorak Bob

Gregory said earlier today that he was just about tuckered out in his pursuit of things Deckel. I thought I might have a look for a morsel that may lead to his temptation. Found this instead.

BT

wow . very nice machine Bob.
if i can find one of these I'm be a very happy man . any idea where to get one ?
cheers
Peter