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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael G View Post
    One of the fitters at work is actually a full blown toolmaker (but who makes tools in Australia these days?). He did his apprenticeship with Hills, back in the days when they made lots of stuff in Australia...
    Anyway - I had a nagging thought that I had some plans for a tool maker's vice and sure enough in the collection of apprentice projects he gave me...

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    Probably doesn't need to be as big for me but people may find it interesting to see what apprentices were expected to produce.

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    Back then, they probably had to cut the parts out with a hand hacksaw and dress it all with a file. No machining allowed.
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    I saw a pair of 2" SHCS vices at Rays today. I bought a pair of 2.5" from Ozmestore. Coupled with some transfer blocks and smaller angle plates there is not much i have found you cannot set up.

    If i had the time i'd love to make some, but it ain't going to happen.

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    I'm getting myself and others confused with the step thing so I drew it out
    The block has a 2 degree slope on the v with 2 degrees on the block the other way

    v block.jpg
    So -
    1. The block with the high end of the V marked
    2. To get the v horizontal, the block needs to rotate 2 degrees down
    3. Material is removed from the base to maintain the v being horizontal - that surface is parallel to the top surface. Step is at the low end of the V. I think the confusion is because I'm calling a step the bit left on where others are calling the step the bit removed?
    4. Using the modified base, the top of the V is now made parallel with the V
    5. Using the parallel top, the block is flipped and the step removed
    6. The finished functional block (sides trimmed is optional)


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    That's right Michael , I think the confusion may have been because I start at the top. It doesn't really matter I guess, only that's the way it was probably measured in the first place. The "step" I'm taking about is the material left, and would be in the top right hand corner of picture 1.

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    I'm confused but that's just me! I'll have plenty time to re-read this thread tonight. Cheers, Simon
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    Hi Michael,

    You've got it..

    It's a good idea to carefully mark the directions on the part, so that you don't reverse it...

    Here's Phil's description of the technique, from an earlier thread..

    Quote Originally Posted by Machtool

    Just to expand. I meant to comment when R.C was knocking up blocks. If you can measure the squarness error, easy way to corect it is to step grind it out. And the accuracy is only dependant on the down feed accuracy of your grinder.

    No offence Rich. Rather than hollow cut your blocks, them lap one land down, grind one off and then leave a land.

    For the sake of an urgument your error was 1 thou out of square. You have to invision which way the square has to move to inprove it.
    The Journey for a Master Square-1-jpg
    28 somthings in this case
    The Journey for a Master Square-2-jpg

    I'd take a dust cut to establish wheel to work height. Thermal stabilty and all that. Then take a thou cut from the side that needed reducing,
    until you leave a high land. Ie: dont complete the pass, but leave a high land. 3 -4 - 5 mm wide.
    The Journey for a Master Square-3-jpg

    Then flip that over.
    The Journey for a Master Square-4-jpg
    Tipping it on the as Josh's renderings. Your high land will tip the part over correcting the out of squarness.

    Then flip flop & grind off the land and get back to parrallel.
    The Journey for a Master Square-5-jpg
    I have trouble descibing it, it takes me seconds when I'm in front of a grinder.

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    So if grinding the top, as per your diagrams Ray, you'd leave the step on the top right of Michael's first diagram right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete F View Post
    So if grinding the top, as per your diagrams Ray, you'd leave the step on the top right of Michael's first diagram right?
    Yes, so that the line HH is parallel to the chuck when the block is flipped. As Phil says, it's easier to do than describe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    Yes, so that the line HH is parallel to the chuck when the block is flipped. As Phil says, it's easier to do than describe...

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    Yes I agree. I just wanted to check as I started to have self-doubts!

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