Thread: Tablesaw Safety For Adults

strange

Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker

strange

It is. Actually, it's a video about safety whilst not being all that safe.

Just seeing the position of his fingers with the blade running is enough to put me off watching it

Who would use metal, let alone a chisel as a push stick?

I don't know what to say, almost....

Even if this is a tongue-in-cheek how not to do it style of video, it is of the poorest taste and hardly educational. The indiscriminate flaunting of fingers around the rotating blade beggars belief. Use use of a chisel for a push stick is unbelievable and the spread of loose objects (let alone them being metal) is possibly the final straw.

I don't pretend to understand his two finger rule unless he is pointing out how extraordinarily lucky he has been to have any fingers left at all.

If there is a place for censorship, it would have to start with this one.

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Regards
Paul

I think he was trying to get a shot of something hiting the blade, starting with the chisel when he left it on the table, then the toys, but non of them cooperated, maybe they had a better developed sense of self preservation than him. ( it would have to be a him just ask your other half.)

Regards

Boy did my cloeca clang shut and is the sphincter muscle ever sore.!!!!

I watched it twice. The second time to count how many fingers he had.

Wouldn't want to be around if the tumble bug got caught in the blade.

Michael

I would love to hear his explanation in an emergency department - "I don't know how the chisel got stuck in my forehead ..."

The hairs are still standing on the back of my neck!


Have a look at Delicate chamfer device (part 3 of 3) - YouTube

OMG

OMG WHAT A Peanut

Oh and of course like so many Americans......no guard and no way of fitting one.

I have seen all sorts of safety procedure lists from the US.....usually half the things that talk about assume that there IS NO GUARD and there IS NO RIVING KNIFE OR SPLITTER.

They are all very keen on their zero clearance inserts...but where is the F#@^&!G guard.

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remember

Functions well but might be a good idea to turn the router off while sanding - just in case.

Originally Posted by soundman

Oh and of course like so many Americans......no guard and no way of fitting one.

I have seen all sorts of safety procedure lists from the US.....usually half the things that talk about assume that there IS NO GUARD and there IS NO RIVING KNIFE OR SPLITTER.

They are all very keen on their zero clearance inserts...but where is the F#@^&!G guard.

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remember

The manufacturers don't help much though with poor design! I wanted to do some simple dados for housing the sliding lids for some robust tool boxes. Just 1 and a half blade widths wide for 3mm ply.

Major exercise to remove the guard and riving knife for a dozen or so passes & then put them back as they should be.

1. Take off the sliding table, 2. remove the side panel to gain access to dust chute to remove just in case I drop a nut or washer, 3. remove the protection strip with sensor, 4. elevate the saw mechanism, 5. remove the blade, don't drop the nut & spacer / washer in the dust chute (magnet), 6. try to loosen the blade guard support / riving knife's two holding bolts, 7. still cant access them easily, lower the saw, 8. buggar the brackets still clash with main body so the riving kinfe assembly won't simply slide out, 9. remove the nuts & washers, again don't drop the nut & spacer / washer in the dust chute (magnet), 10. remove the bolts - what an exercise that was as the supplied washers and nuts will not snug up without the riving knife in place (safety feature??) and potentially could drift/slide into the blade while running, 11. then refit the blade etc, 12. put back the protection strip with sensor, 13. put back the sliding table, 15. refit the dust chute, 16. refit the side panel.

Finally ready to go - why didn't I set up the router???? Then after the cuts reverse the proceedure ... to refit the riving knife / blade guard. Still far better than loosing fingers.

With that sort of design its no wonder many wood workers take them off and leave them off - but in no way excusses the permanent removal of them. Some pressure and feedback from woodworkers may change things about the poor design.

I still have very vivid memories of the aftermath of a friend who was also one of Dad's (house builder) clients (a retired Navy MTP mechanical type) He was a bit proud, well trained in mechanical safety, and wanted to do some of the joinery himself. Subsequently he lost all the fingers and thumb back to the palm on one hand after feeding them through a docking saw (ripping) which didn't have the guard correctly set up.

Doing dados on a saw bench and use of dado blades is just another one of those american things.

Many european saw benches and benches sold specifically to the european market.....(that is anything with a riving knife)...... are specifically designed so that dado blades can not be fitted.

The view of the OHS establishment outside of the US is that saw benches should not be used in place of spindle moulders and routers.

Outside of the US and the hobby market, daddo blades are very much frowned upon, as is the removal of riving knives and guards.

Of course they don't make it easy.

As for non thru cuts with single blades...many saw benches the riving knife either remains just below flush with the top of the main blade thruout the blade travel or it drops below the top of the blade in lower blade elivations.

That is if you have the correct size blade fitted.
If you use different sized blades, well you should have riving knives that match.

I have a saw bench with a riving knife and I have never found the need to operate it without....and I do quite a bit of non thru sawing.

Then too, so many machines the guards, dust extraction and the like are poorly thaught out after thaughts, fitted to designs that remain more or less unchanged since the 50's when the machine came with no guards or dust extraction whatsoever......from a time when a lot of men in industry walked around, hearing impared, with respiratory problems and with fingers and toes missing.

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