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Thread: CA pen finish
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28th January 2006, 06:22 PM #1
CA pen finish
Just a quick question .....
Does the quality of super glue matter when it is being used as a CA finish for pens?
If you aren't familiar with the CA finish you may not be able to help me but here is a link if you want to read up ....
http://www.penturners.org/content/CAFinish1.pdfNow proudly sponsored by Binford Tools. Be sure to check out the Binford 6100 - available now at any good tool retailer.
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28th January 2006, 07:00 PM #2Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Sir StinkalotShouldn't your Pen be as unique as you are ?
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28th January 2006, 07:19 PM #3Originally Posted by darley56
I use Loctite (sp?) for gluing in the tubes and that works well however I think it would be a waste to apply it as a finish.Now proudly sponsored by Binford Tools. Be sure to check out the Binford 6100 - available now at any good tool retailer.
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28th January 2006, 07:38 PM #4Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Sir Stinkalot
Loctite glue! don't know about it how long it take to dry ?Shouldn't your Pen be as unique as you are ?
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28th January 2006, 08:05 PM #5
Here is a link to Loctite .... http://www.loctite.com.au/int_henkel...id=19&layout=3 Also available at Blackwoods http://www.blackwoods.com.au/product...4&black_found=
It is a great product .... it is used extensively at Ford for assembly. I was fortunate to purchase 3 tubes at a garage sale for $1.00 each .... they are generally $15 ..... the garage sale was being held by a Ford worker
We also used it at uni when making architectural models. It is available from specialist art suppliers. There are different mixes that give different working times. I find that you need to be quick when trying to get the tubes into the blanks but no more so when I was using the "hot stuff" glues.
As for the finish for pens I might give the cheap stuff a go. In the worst case I will need to sand it back to bare wood again. I just cant justify using a $15.00 - $20.00 superglue where the adhesive properties aren't overly important.
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30th January 2006, 09:57 AM #6
Let us know how you go.
I have thought the same thing before, but a cheaper brand may not look the same? Maybe you should try both and compare them (so you know what is possible and how close the cheaper stuff gets to being as good as the expensive stuff).
Hmmm.
Cheers
Cam
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30th January 2006, 11:35 AM #7
just a quick question:
The penturners artical mentions applying the first coat of thin CA when the lathe is running if it came go slow enough.
The slowest speed for mine is 500 rpm.
Is it slow enough ?it's not me , it's you
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30th January 2006, 12:49 PM #8Senior Member
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Originally Posted by MoviefanShouldn't your Pen be as unique as you are ?
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30th January 2006, 06:59 PM #9
Type of CA
Hi All,
What type of superglue do you all use? I use the $2 from the cheap shops and i have done a few and it didn't come out as i thought it would.
I would like to know if anyone is in SW sydney and can show me how you do it properly?
Thanks
Rog
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31st January 2006, 09:14 AM #10Senior Member
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Originally Posted by BabytoolmanShouldn't your Pen be as unique as you are ?
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31st January 2006, 10:30 AM #11
Everyone seems to have a favourite...
Darley seems to like EZ.
Others seem to use Hot Stuff and Loctite.
Can I ask why?
Is it to do with availability or price or is one better than the others?
I noticed that Hot Stuff was over $20 for a bottle on the Carbatec site!
There is some stuff on Carroll's site called "Tech-Ad" which is only about $12.50...
http://www.cws.au.com/ look under glues.
I am confused. :confused:
Cam
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31st January 2006, 10:59 AM #12Senior Member
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Originally Posted by CameronPotter
Hot Stuff or EZ-Bond or Tech-ad are Cyanoacrylate glue = CA , Hot Stuff I think is 2.OZ bottle Tech-ad is 50 grs who is just above 1.OZ, now you see who is more competitive, hope this help.Shouldn't your Pen be as unique as you are ?
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31st January 2006, 11:04 AM #13
Thanks.
I knew that they were all CA, but I thought that they were the same size...
It seems I overlooked the size of the Tech-Ad.
Cheers
Cam
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1st February 2006, 02:48 PM #14Originally Posted by darley56
Or do you apply the glue fairly liberally over the surface, THEN smooth it out whilst turning the headstock by hand?
Cheers
Cam
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1st February 2006, 07:40 PM #15
As for glues I use Loctite as it seems to glue everything and I have never had a tube spin whilst I have been using it. With that record I am quite happy to keep going. I have tried some of the other glues sold at the same place that you purchase the pens and I didn't find it stuck or kept well.
Here are some photos of the pens I have just finished with my own modified CA finish.
- I sanded the pens to 2000 grit.
- Changed the lathe speed to approx 300 rpm.
- I then applied some loctite gel using the bag the pen parts arrive in.
- When this had dried I then sanded again this time starting from 800 working back up to 2000.
- With all of that completed I then applied some EEE to one pen and some buffing compound to another. This gave a very fine finish. Both products did the same job however I would recommend the EEE .
- The shine looked good but to just top it off, and see what would happen I applied some Shellawax.
I had intended to try some cheap superglue however the tube I found in the drawer was dry. Oh well I will give it a shot later.
Ok so what I have learnt:
- As for the quality of the modified CA finish it give a very good shine.
- It does remove the "real timber" feel and replaces it with a slight plastic feel.
- The finish will wear better than the standard pen finishes.
- The shine on this finish will help them sell well where people and pick them up and feel them.
- I will most likely reserve this type of finishes for the "higher" quality pens.
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