Thread: Browm Mallee help

Eucalyptus Viridis. That is the one I have, I have heard it called Giant Mallee and Broadleafed Mallee. Hope that helps.

Regards Peter.

Originally Posted by Penpal

Eucalyptus Viridis. That is the one I have, I have heard it called Giant Mallee and Broadleafed Mallee. Hope that helps.

Regards Peter.

That will do me thank you Peter

According to Bootle E. viridis R. T. Bak is Green Mallee. No name shown for Brown Mallee. There is however a "Blue Mallee" (E. fructicetorum F Muell. ex Miq.) of western NSW and Victoria. Bootle notes that there is 17 species of "Mallee" listed in AS/NZS 1148 Timber Nomenclature - Australian, New Zealand and Imported Species.

Just to add to the confusion

Originally Posted by Pat

According to Bootle E. viridis R. T. Bak is Green Mallee. No name shown for Brown Mallee. There is however a "Blue Mallee" (E. fructicetorum F Muell. ex Miq.) of western NSW and Victoria. Bootle notes that there is 17 species of "Mallee" listed in AS/NZS 1148 Timber Nomenclature - Australian, New Zealand and Imported Species.

Just to add to the confusion

Yeah thanks for that

I was getting some pens together for a friends birthday present and I aways like to put both names so I did a goggle and to my surprise there was heaps of Mallee's but no brown
Is Brown Mallee a generic term for Mallee?

Around here we don't use the term 'brown', but instead say 'red' - I don't know if this makes a difference.

soth

One site lists red & brown mallee as the following

Eucalyptus viridis - Eucalyptus polycarpa - Eucalyptus odorata - Eucalyptus corrugata - Eucalyptus macrocarpa - Eucalyptus gracilis

Russell.

In the "field guide to Eucalypts" vol 1, there is no mention of brown mallee
but there are 29 other common names listed seems they grow everywhere
E viridis common name is noted as green mallee

I had a look in all my tree books last night and could find no reference to BROWN Mallee.
Makes me think if there is such a thing as Brown Mallee?????

Now I think of it my father in-law is a retired botanist, might send him an email but he is a true scientist so I will get a 300 page reply just to say he has no idea, but I will give it a go

My mate the Burl Getter of gave me in the past fruits, leaves, locations and in fact all the info necessary. Now I used to work in a previous life as a Tech Officer in CSIRO and the most outstanding scientist working in CSIRO Forestry Division when I contacted him those years ago was working still as a visiting fellow there and I went to him, he spent two hours with me visiting for old times sake and identified the Brown Mallee ( after all it is BROWN and MALLEE) as Broad Leafed Mallee, Giant Mallee and the correct Bottanical name and yes it is definitely brown and beautiful to you and me.
Now seeing as it would be impossible for me to retrace my Scientist mate now I was left with doing what you have been doing and using the great Authority GOOGLE found a Scientific description of the common words Brown Mallee to be Viridis according to them. My Scientist mate was a pricipal author of Forest Trees of Australia one of the most complete and accurate Authoritative books on the subject Scientific and complete known as the guru at work.
You can tell I am sincere and love accuracy and worship truth and I say to you my known memory is Broad Leafed and Giant Mallee sometimes called I know . Viridis from Google recently. I will go back when I can to CSIRO however they were disbanded by Govt and scattered to the four winds and bear in mind I have been gone from there for 21 yrs now since they closed down their photographic section with me the lone person ihn the unit made redundant all those years ago.
Standby for definitive information in the future.
PS it is really beaut timber a rose by any name a gem for pens.
Regards Peter.

The field books to eucalypts I referred to are written by M Brooker and D Kleinig whom at one stage appear to have worked for the CSIRO. Are either of them your long lost colleague? They also mention a lot of other names in the forward I can forword to you if you like.
I got the books because, like you, I wanted some accuracy. But I did notice whilst flicking through volume 1 (edition 3) that two of the piccies are the same for two different (but related) trees . Actually I should let them know.

Both of these men were well known to me the Brooker mentioned is the expert as was
Kleinig who was made redundant forever ago, both were amongst the most pedantically dedicated men I have met. Brooker is older than me and Kleinig made his way really successfully as a seed gatherer of native trees a task he used to perform as sources of identification and for the rather large Australian Tree Seed Centre at the time.

There is a Division of Forestry at the Australian National University here where I worked for the last 8 yrs of work ie in another area. The complete collection of samples of all known Australian Trees was sent some time ago to Canada to follow an Academic who now acts as their expert identification from there visiting here occasionally or every year or so. This is also the result of downsizing and lack of finances.

Our Woodcraft Guild met there for many years before we built our own premises.

So although we as pen makers buy timber as whatever as has been said ad nausum
the majority of labeling is as wide as it is long an example is the favourite Eucalypt
Burl (could be one of 700 species of Euc but thats the way it is sold everywhere from inside Tasmania and all over the world )

I feel we stress the detail to the exclusion of so many beaut timbers for example I have dozens of these forgotten name timbers.

Now having said that I always try to answer any enquiry this one from Justin is genuine and I will pursue this.

Have fun Regards Peter.

I was asked by my FI if Brown Mallee burl was a true burl?
He asked this because he can not recall ever seeing a burl on a Mallee and he said that it is more likely to be part of the roots.
Does this sound correct to you.

I was for a long number of years a very active member of an organisation, a number of these valued friends were Solicitors and Barristers who when they made strong references used this term WITH RESPECT to preface what they had to stay.

Now with respect to your Dad I have seen Mallee Burl (up to 40 tonnes at one time entirely Mallee Burl indeed coincidentally I visited my Burl getting mate today and he was down to a small ten ton.

Brown Mallee from his point of view is not his best seller in Australia (he deals in one tonne to shipping containers full) I have seen Brown Mallee burl in the tonnes per real burl. His estimation with Red Mallee Burl is it is getting very rare so see some get some.. He sells Brown Mallee Burl under the name Eucalyptus Dumosa. Red Mallee under the name Eucalyptus Fructicetorum. In Victoria Brown Mallee is sold and identified as Red Mallee (a rose by any other name0

I have spent the equivalent of two full long days chasing info re Brown Mallee I definitely now end my search with this mission statement.

With respect Brown Mallee exists as Red Mallee, White Mallee, Yellow Mallee depending who you talk to.

I have for you if you want some exceptional Mallee Burl to show your Dad contact me by PM they are in Pen Blank form blow some theories away.

Kind regards Peter.

Originally Posted by Penpal

I was for a long number of years a very active member of an organisation, a number of these valued friends were Solicitors and Barristers who when they made strong references used this term WITH RESPECT to preface what they had to stay.

Now with respect to your Dad I have seen Mallee Burl (up to 40 tonnes at one time entirely Mallee Burl indeed coincidentally I visited my Burl getting mate today and he was down to a small ten ton.

Brown Mallee from his point of view is not his best seller in Australia (he deals in one tonne to shipping containers full) I have seen Brown Mallee burl in the tonnes per real burl. His estimation with Red Mallee Burl is it is getting very rare so see some get some.. He sells Brown Mallee Burl under the name Eucalyptus Dumosa. Red Mallee under the name Eucalyptus Fructicetorum. In Victoria Brown Mallee is sold and identified as Red Mallee (a rose by any other name0

I have spent the equivalent of two full long days chasing info re Brown Mallee I definitely now end my search with this mission statement.

With respect Brown Mallee exists as Red Mallee, White Mallee, Yellow Mallee depending who you talk to.

I have for you if you want some exceptional Mallee Burl to show your Dad contact me by PM they are in Pen Blank form blow some theories away.

Kind regards Peter.

I truly thank you for the time you have spent on this and it looks as I found there is multiple Mallee's referred as Brown so I think unless told by the supplier I will stick to Eucalyptus Viridis as per your original thought.
I like to know what species of tree each piece of timber came from but most... no nearly all customers could not care less so it is more a personal thing
As for my father in-law he was not trying say anything apart from HE has not or could not personally recall ever seeing a burl on a Mallee tree. I think his last intentions were to state that there is no such thing or upset anyone. He has spent most of his time in the top end and QLD so Mallee is far from his speciality. If his question did upset anyone on behalf of my FIL I truly and humbly apologise.
I once again thank you for your time Peter it is very much appreciated

Maybe unless given the correct species I will just call it Mallee burl