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  1. #1
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    Unhappy Muffin-top transmission, 40 ways to stuff a pen up

    grrrr, grrrr, what else can go wrong, etc. etc. etc.

    On a positive note, at least there was no blood spilt

    Had a request for a bullet pen from an uncle-in-law, so tried to actually get hold of a bullet (the projectile bit) to use instead of a nib from a kit.
    Despite a couple of firearms places promising to deliver, they never came through, and we're going to crash at UIL's place on the way to Qld in a couple of days, so it had to get done soonest.

    I put a blob of JB Weld on the end of the tube, then turned it down to fit inside the casing (using heat-shrink tube just seems a bit Mickey Mouse to me), and carefully drilled the (deactivated) primer out to get a neat fit at the other end of the tube.

    I also decided to fit a clip, and found that left-over clip from the mace-pen would work.

    So far, so good. Glued the tubes into the casing, and into the blank. Cut end off another casing to use as end cap, and filed a notch in it for the cap. Went to bed.

    Day 2:
    Pressed in nib, then went to press in the transmission. With about 1.5 mm to go, the transmission tube started to collapse and fold over itself, looking like a slumped muffin top
    Of course, the part which is in the tube is hanging on for grim life, and won't pull out
    Short break to make some pen disassembly tools from a bit of brass rod from a toilet float, and a carriage bolt. Disassemble pen, look down tube - nice and clean. Hmmm...
    Luckily, I have one trans from another kit, so here goes assembly attempt 2.
    Same thing! This time I caught it just as the trans started to deform, so I was still feeling that this pen would happen.

    Out with the verniers, and check the tube interior diameter vs. the other tubes on hand. Start wondering if the close fit in the casing is preventing a small required amount of stretch in the tube ???
    I decided to turn the trans down a smidgen, and try again. Of course, take a smidgen off the radius = 2xsmidgen off the diameter, so now it goes in easier than usual, but looks like it will hang in there.

    Now to the blank. Dammit! The tube is about 2mm proud of the casing, so why didn't I shove the tube that far into the blank instead of lining the tube up with the blank edge???

    Whilst experimenting/thinking about this problem, I discovered that the trans was NOT secure enough, so I decided to superglue it in. But the glue was enough to make it too hard to press in with hands, and went off before I got to the clamp! Dammit !!!

    Thinking I was pretty on top of this disassembly business, I whacked out the nib, this time sitting the casing holder on top of the vice jaws (instead of holding it between the jaws) and managed to badly scar the nib in two places as it came free. Dammittt!!!!

    Rat through bag of bits, and, yes! one spare nib. Acetone, soldering iron, plus bigger hammer got the transmission out. Again! This time, I thought I'd see if the remaining glue would make the difference in tightness, so I carefully pressed in THE WRONG TRANSMISSION - the muffin-topped one.
    Which, of course, went in beautifully, and stopped at just the right spot.
    But wouldn't turn

    Back to the blank, turned down to size, made mount for the clip, filed and filed and filed to get a nice fit. Each break, I had a fiddle with the muffin top, and after a while it began to behave again.

    Several minor occasions for cussing later, it's all together, and looking like a pen

    And, as I type this, I realise that with all the frustration, I only put one coat of CA on the blank !!!

    So a) I WON'T post this on FaceBook, where UIL will see it,
    and
    b) I hope he likes it

    Cheers,
    Andrew

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    Looks good to me if your UIL does not like send it to me

    do you know what caliber it is?
    Cheers Rum Pig

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    "Winchester 308" stamped in the end of the casing.

    Cheers,
    Andrew

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    With tight transmissions something has to give ,with metal as in a bullet soldered in the transmission can and will buckle, with acrylics the ends can fracture, same as with CA finish ,one thing that is not mentioned much is the tubes can be a tiny bit out of round ,this can change the fit size considerably as far as a press fit goes, after having a couple do the same thing as yours ! I give a quick file out with a rat tail file just to be on the safe side, been ok since then.And with any of these cross 8 styles I always fit the transmission first before the nib, that way if it goes "A" up its easy to get back out for another try But fill marks for perservering only way to learn what does and doesn't work . I think someone mentioned a small amount of vaseline can help as well , I'm sure it was pens he was talking about cheers ~ John. Ps you have to pass my place if you are coming to brisbane via the gold coast .let me know if you are I am near Beenleigh !
    G'day all !Enjoy your stay !!!

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    Hey Andrew,

    I have had that happen a few times and have ended up drilling out the remaining part of the transmission,( they crumple pretty easy hey?) I have a special 1/4 inch drill bit just for this purpose. nice recovery though.

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    Urgh,

    Well top marks for perseverance, and looks like you got there in the end. Good job.

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    Nice save (or series of saves)
    it's a real PITA when things don't go to plan and it's difficult to see why
    but perseverance pays and you've ended up with a nice looking pen UIL should be pleased
    regards
    Nick
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    Andrew,
    What size hole did you drill the primer end out to?
    Here is out take on it, and what we have discovered.
    The reason the kit makers want you the drill a 7mm hole for a tube that is smaller than 7mm is because the small gap between the blank and the tube, even though it is filled with glue, gives the tube some place to deform when you press in the hardware, like the transmission.
    Ever notice that on all the pen kits, the drill size is always a small amount bigger than the tubes outside diameter?
    This allows two things...first, if it was a snug fit, then there would be no place for the glue to go…and no place for the tube to expand to when hardware is pressed in.
    If you drilled the primer end a snug fit for the tube, which by the way is not really a 7mm OD tube, but is a 0.2650 inch tube, or 6.73mm outside diameter, then you left no room for the tube to deform to.
    Don’t know if you have access to imperial size drill bits, but we found that a 17/64th hole works best.
    We do not solder the tube at the primer end, but only at the neck, letting the primer end or transmission end “float” free so to speak, and when you press the transmission in, it expands or deforms the tube enough to snug up against the thick brass at the primer end of the casing.
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    Great looking pen Andrew, I havent seen a cilp like that on a bullet pen before.

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    Wm460 - it's the leftover clip from a Pen-2 kit

    PEN-2 & PEN-3 Roller Ball / Fountain Pen Parts : CARBA-TEC

    Edblysard - I glued the nib end, but left the primer end floating. I'm not sure exactly what size hole I ended up with, as I drilled 6.5mm, and then reamed until the tube slid in.
    But thanks for seconding my tube-stretch hypothesis.

    SWMBO and son have both given their approval of the finished pen

    Cheers,
    Andrew

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    Good to hear you worked through the probs and didn't give up therefore you won and not MURPHY

    MIK

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    Ed
    that is very useful information
    thanks for sharing
    regards
    Nick
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