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  1. #16
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    Default The wonder fence works

    As FenceFurniture says, I do indeed use mine a lot. A very great deal.

    i love my router setup now. It uses the Incra fence, wonderfence, Incra lifter and motor with external variable speed from PWS. Underneath is a simple box that encloses the lot. It has a large hole in one side in which I jam the 6" hose. The box has a few extra 50mm holes here and there to allow extra airflow and turbulence. This is because the router lifter holes are restricted. The extra holes let the 6" pipe suck it all up.

    the router lifter uses the magnetic pop-in plates and I pretty much always just use the most open one. The after market Incra pop-ins that have the extra holes for airflow work fantastically. Truly.

    when using the wonderfence, I just jam a 50mm grey flex in the back, which goes straight into the box below. I don't use the 90 degree elbow, it just gets in the way.

    the suction from within the box below is enough to capture everything that is generated. The lifter holes capture most and the gap in the fence gets the rest. I did remove the front blanking plate, but it collected less, so it's back on now.

    after a long session there may be the odd particle left, but considering how much it's used in a day the remnant is trivial.

    i use the router table on every single job I do.

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    Hi @woodPixel
    Off topic
    Which motor do you use?
    I have a table,
    but changing bits over is such a PiTA I use the table occasionally.
    I am always looking for a lift/motor solution that will be so good I'll use it all the time.

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    I'm not woodpixel, but I will say I quite like my setup from gregory machinery - swisstec motor and jessem lift. I think all the 240v motors are pretty much the same apart from the badge and the colour!

    I haven't used it all that much so far (got diverted by other projects shortly after buying it), but very happy with it from the limited work it's seen. Bit changing is about as easy as I can imagine...

    Danny

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    RTYUIOP had it right - its a PWS motor (AUKTools Router Control Station + 1800watt Router) and the Incra MastRLift2 in Metric (Incra Mast-R-Lift II Router Lift METRIC)

    They look identical don't they

    One thing I do know about the earlier models is they used an optical speed sensor that was blocked by dust, causing the motor to self destruct - and a plastic fan that tended to do the same. The one I have has a magnetic hall sensor and metal fan. I don't know the qualities of the GM motor.

    Ive used it quite a bit and its very good. It sometimes makes a bit of noise for 1/2 a second when starting after doing some especially dusty work, but thats it obviously cleaning the dust/crap off the commutator. It has a soft start and stops within a decent time too. It has a remote speed and lit on/off which I especially like. The remote speed is super convenient and I find I use it a lot. The spanners are a bit loose on the collet for my liking plus the size of them is fractionally too big for the hole in the Incra lifter, but this is minor. The motor itself is very fast, faster than the Triton TRA001 it replaced and does a markedly better job (smoother). It is considerably quieter than the TRA001, by a very considerably considerable.

    One thing to note is (on mine) that the collets are FANTASTICALLY ACCURATE. i.e. TIR < 0.0001in out at 1 inch on a precision blank. Amazing. I bought some ultra good collets guaranteed to be 100% amazing, the Extreme Precision kit for usd$220 Precision Porter-Cable Collet Kits!!! and it was no better than the factory set.

    I adore this setup. The Incra lifter is so amazing its mindblowing. I love the way I can raise and lower it the most microscopic smidgen when doing boxes and fiddly work. No backlash and no need to use the lock either. I like the fact it is metric. Up 0.25mm?... that's 1/4 of a wind.... easy peasy.

    I dont have anything really negative to say about the thing. I would completely recommend it, even though it is expensive.... BUT I do use mine daily when on-the-tools and sometimes for quite a while. For me, the payoff was rewarded in a single job. It earned itself back after doing kilometres of roundovers and 1/4" though-dados on 6mm MDF for some displays. It was literally 12 hours of endless repetition and it did a stand up job.

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    Thanks for the feedback. [emoji1303]
    Much appreciated.
    Now where did I put that spare $1500? [emoji57]

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    RTYUIOP had it right - its a PWS motor (AUKTools Router Control Station + 1800watt Router)
    Thank you for the link on this - I was shortly going to buy the plain AUK router to fit into my Incra lift... I didn't know this existed!

    Am I reading it right that this kit then allows both on/off and speed control of the AUK router between 10k-22k rpm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Man View Post
    Thank you for the link on this - I was shortly going to buy the plain AUK router to fit into my Incra lift... I didn't know this existed!

    Am I reading it right that this kit then allows both on/off and speed control of the AUK router between 10k-22k rpm?
    The remote doesn't plug into an existing motor, it needs to be bought as a package as its hard-wired in. The controller and motor do separate with a microphone-like socket on the cable. It adds what seems to be an unreasonable premium to the price of a bare motor, but I think its completely worth while.

    It is really nice to use. Previously I had a TRA001 and it was a great system (I shouldn't have sold it) but the thing was pretty much always left on full bore. This motor is much better, each bit sure does like to go as fast as possible, but if its too fast it burns. With the remote speed, one can dial it to just the right speed very quickly. It is excellent for my roundover and edging bits.

    The on and off buttons both light up, so you know when there is power. No mistakes or having to double-check the powerpoint.

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    I built my own router table fence 20-odd years ago from aluminium section, and sold it with the table saw some months ago (it was built into the outfeed). I built another into the outfeed of my new table saw using the same design as the dust collection was excellent. The new one is even better as it uses wider hose. It is all above the table via 2 1/2" hose into a Festool vacuum cleaner.





    There is an area behind the bit that is large enough for wide-ish bits. The sides of the section are blocked off. This keeps the air flow directly behind the bit ...



    From inside you can see that the air stream is unhindered ...



    With a good suction, there is no need for a below-table hose.

    A few extra bits: I added a spare Elu 177e router ...



    .. and a Router Raizer ..



    This is really excellent and cheap, effective way to have above table blade changing ...

    ... especially with a MuscleChuck ...





    Regards from Perth

    Derek
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    With no below table hose , how does it go re dust when cutting dados?

    Cheers

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    For below table dust collection, I'm planning on making something equivalent to this: INCRA TOOLS :: Precision Fences :: Router System Accessories :: INCRA CleanSweep Dust Collection Cabinet

    Someone here might correct me, but from my research, this encapsulates the router, and sucks away all the dust from below the table. It is also my understanding that if you plan on doing this or something like it, you need "compatible" rings to fit in your router plate - this is mentioned lower down the linked page. Essentially, they have slots in the rings to allow airflow through to the top of the table which then ends up sucking dust from both underneath, and on top of the table into the dust collection system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lappa View Post
    With no below table hose , how does it go re dust when cutting dados?

    Cheers
    I don't use a router table for dados. I do them with hand tools.

    If I needed a below table dust extractor, I would look at this from Keen Products ...

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/k...tion-accessory



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    Midnight Man you might want to have a search on here for woodPixels setup, it's pretty much exactly what you're planning on doing. Could save you a bit of time.

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    Here are a few pictures of the solution I have. It is nothing fancy!

    I didn't vacuum or even tidy up before taking the pictures Today was a big day, about 5 hours on the tools.... so the dust you see is what was left. It was an MDF day today too....

    The hole simply plugs into the back of the undertable box. The table is only 18mm melamine and underneath are the Incra side table mounting arms (it used to be just wooden blocks, but these are easier to adjust). The 6" hose mounts into the gaping hole at the front. I just jamb it in!


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    @ woodPixel - I was wondering how you managed to get way better extraction performance than the typical plunge router, mounting plate and insert ring setup.

    The style of motor you used, the upgraded insert rings and a few intake holes at the top of the under table dust box all help remove one of the big restricted flow paths in a typical RT build. Nice setup.

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    The insert rings with the additional holes make a HHHUUGE difference.

    it really works.

    edit: in a recent post (#16), I mentioned that I put the end cap back on the Wonderfence. My own pictures show this isn't true! Ooops. It works well with it off

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